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To ask for your comebacks to being asked if I'm a full time mum?

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RemainOptimistic · 07/11/2017 21:21

Got asked this today in the context of small talk. I couldn't think on the spot so just muttered about going back to work.

What can I say in future? How about "oh why do you ask, are you a part time mum too?" or is that too rude?

OP posts:
MadMags · 09/11/2017 19:39

Deirdre it's not a job though. It's a relationship.

But it doesn't offend me! It rather saddens me that women feel like they have to "pretend" (for want of a better word) that it's a job to feel validated.

ShastaBeast · 09/11/2017 19:43

But working mums do do everything SAHMs do AND work if kids are of school age - well certainly certainly single mums do.

Bullshit of the highest order - I'm off to do an extra day at work to minimise the workload at home. Blimey coming home just in time for dinner and bed is bliss compared to all day at home, three meals and a house of chaos. Mine are at school so even school runs and post school mess are too much. One day I'll be free and can go full time. I was home with them for a few years and work is so much easier. I'm glad I was there in the early days but it was the hardest time of my life. I have no guilt at all working, why should we when men rarely give it a second thought. I don't feel I could label myself a full time parent now and have no problem with how others label themselves. It's ridiculous to be wound up by this.

BitchQueen90 · 09/11/2017 19:47

Am I the only one who actually found being at home easier than being at work? Grin

I feel like I'm always rushing everywhere now. At least when I was SAH I could do things at my own pace, it was hard work yes but no targets/deadlines etc. I love being back at work now but I am bloody tired 24/7! (Although I'm a single parent so no respite really!)

SleepingStandingUp · 09/11/2017 19:50

TheFirstMrsDV if you were talking about the OP why add my name as though your comment had any relation to mine?

Assuming you drop miss off at 8.30 and collect at 5.30 then I do 9 more hours of caring for a child. If child was school age then yes probably only an extra 2. Those 2 - 9 hours involve what you do outside of those hours but for longer. It isn't hard to figure. It may also omvolve caring duties for other people, some volunteer work etc

ShastaBeast · 09/11/2017 19:50

Entertain their kids all day long. That's what they do while you are at work paying someone else to entertain your child. It's bloody hard work whether you think it or not. It's not a competition. I love work and loved having input into the upbringing of my children's nursery staff, they were amazing and did a great job caring for my kids when I wasn't do the same at other times.

SleepingStandingUp · 09/11/2017 19:53

BitchQueen90 I've never been a WOHM but I assume I have the easier job as I only have to look after the children- no school run, no hours away from the kids, no squashing quality time and dinner and chores into a few hours. I'm not a SAHP by choice but if I could have afforded to make a decision's either way, it would be the easier option

sleeponeday · 09/11/2017 19:58

The reality is that there is no right choice here. SAHM risk their kids being on the poverty line and their own long-term financial security (because nobody can guarantee a SAHM that her DH won't sod off with someone from work, even without the risk he may lose that work) but provide them with the security and comfort of having a parent there whenever they are. Their school days are restricted to the hours they are there - the day starts and ends with the school gates, and then they can relax. That's not a small thing. But nor is poverty.

A WOTH mother provides her kids with financial security, if she has a partner - there are two jobs to protect them against financial disaster. She also provides them with a better standard of living than they could have without her salary unless their father is a high earner. If she isn't someone who finds small kids interesting, she provides them with potentially a more engaged and stimulated carer, and if she enjoys her job, she's providing them with a more engaged and happy mother when she is home, too. Finally, she's setting them a great example in terms of work ethic, and the notion that women also work and careers aren't a male domain.

There's also the aspect that staying at home chops a career off at the legs, and lots of it is boring drudgery which can really hack away ar your self esteem. While kids need to be a priority, they aren't the only people in a family to matter. A woman doesn't have to sacrifice her life completely to still be a good mother, and nor should she have to. She matters, too.

However, I don't think most of us can argue against the idea that children prefer to be cared for in their own homes, and preferably by their own mothers. School days are a lot shorter than working ones and while a top notch nanny could probably provide excellent at home care, few people can afford one. That's why so many women go part-time... or stay at home.

My mum had to work fulltime. She was a single parent. I used to know what her car engine sounded like when she came to get me from the childminder. I hated school desperately so after-school clubs and summer ones were purgatorial extensions of my school day. I was so, so envious of my peers, whose days ended when Mum collected them at the school gate. I can remember playdates there and the way they just relaxed because their day was done. Mine wasn't done until 6.30. But looking back, we'd have been so poor had she not worked that my childhood would have been abysmal beyond belief. She was pretty bloody poor as it was. Work made the difference - I know that, because she lost her job when I was a teenager and having her around did not compensate by then for the terrible anxiety about money. If only one of a couple works, the children are exposed to that. Which is best? Who can say? They're hard choices, either way.

What would be nice is if we could all respect that other women are doing the best they can with the circumstances they are in. It's not a criticism of our own decisions, if they chose differently. Surely what works for a family is what works for the child? It's not holy dogma. And the venom people on both sides aim at one another says sod all about either choice, and a huge amount about the people speaking.

This reminds me of the whole breastfeeding thing. Breast is not always best. Sometimes, it can be the worst. For all concerned. But that doesn't mean, if all else is in place and it's working beautifully, that that isn't the ideal - it's just that statistically it is blatantly not that simple.

Most women would lie in traffic for their kids, if they needed them to. If a lot are not breastfeeding, and not staying at home, it's not because they are stupid or selfish. It's because other factors have to be considered, and when they are, working outside the home, or using a bottle, is best for that family and that child in that situation when you take all factors into account. And shaming in either direction is pretty shitty.

sleeponeday · 09/11/2017 20:02

Sorry OP, that's not aimed at your, um, OP! But the comments. Some are just... yeah. All I can assume is that some people feel very defensive.

pollymere · 09/11/2017 20:12

When my dd went to school I did run a toddler group. It was one morning a week. I think there is a perception that if you are a stay at home Mum then what do you do all day. However, unless your kids have special needs, maybe you could be doing something else as well, even one morning a week. If your kids are not at school yet, then enjoy it! Just say that you saved money so you could stay at home and enjoy being there for the kids whilst they're small. I think many people are envious that people can do this and not work so making out you've saved makes them feel happier about your situation.

TheFirstMrsDV · 09/11/2017 20:13

Sleeping I have five DCs. In the 25 years I have been a parent I have worked FT/PT SAHM and been a full time carer.
Being a working parent with no one to pick up the slack at home is much harder than being a SAHP.
Its such a first world debate. Many of us have no choice. There is no angst about career v mothering full time.
You work. There is no alternative. I work, my DM worked, my GMs worked.

I don't think SAHPs are lazy but how can it be easier to be up the night, get kids ready in the morning, take them to school, go to work, pick the kids up, cook, clean, wash, bath, homework, prepare for next day, bedtime than it is to do that without going to work? Confused

Not every working mother has a nanny, aupair, wrap around childcare.

TheFirstMrsDV · 09/11/2017 20:15

That's what they do while you are at work paying someone else to entertain your child. It's bloody hard work whether you think it or not
Due to MN's deletion policy I cannot reply to this comment the way I want to.

Anyway...what was that about working parents being defensive?

MadMags · 09/11/2017 20:21

If we're going to start throwing insults around about paying people to entertain your kids, let's ask what sort of example you're setting to your dc, especially your girls?

Women stay at home like good little girls and cook and clean for their big strong husband while he hunts and gathers?

No thanks. I want my dd to see me be a (insert job title) and her mother, just like her dad is a and her dad.*

*i don't think it should have come to this but SAHM can actually fuck off with the veiled digs.

SuzukiLi · 09/11/2017 20:23

bitch I feel the same. I don't get what the fuss is about.

lilybookins · 09/11/2017 20:32

Bloody well said madmags

SottoVoc3 · 09/11/2017 20:34

Yes. But just a part-time woman.

SleepingStandingUp · 09/11/2017 20:38

TheFirstMrsDV
Did you read my post?
I said
I've never been a WOHM but I assume I have the easier job as I only have to look after the children
So I don't work outside the home and therefore I assume I have it easier than those that do. I assume being a SAHM is easier.

lilybookins · 09/11/2017 20:41

I bloody loved maternity leave. An absolute doddle compared to going back to work AND doing everything at home. It’s bullshit to suggest that being a SAHM is actually than being a working full time mum. It honestly makes me laugh. Especially when I’m on my knees still doing chores at midnight, all the crap I easily got done in the day when on maternity leave. It was honestly a breeze compared to now.

SleepingStandingUp · 09/11/2017 20:43

MadMags well as you want to be a good example to your daughter, perhaps start by not fighting insults with insults? Lots of comments on neutral ground, but instead you just choose to be rude

SleepingStandingUp · 09/11/2017 20:44

lilybookins no one has, just deliberate misreading

Viviennemary · 09/11/2017 20:45

I agree with Madmags. Women who think being a full-time Mother as a career or occupation are unwise to say the least. There isn't any redundancy when your employer goes off into the sunset with his secretary or whatever. Unless he's a mega earner. Sorry being a Mother isn't a job or an occupation. I wouldn't want to be dependant on another adult for my keep.

MadMags · 09/11/2017 20:46

Yes, I was rude but actually being 100% that was and is a consideration for me.

People don't have to feel the same, but at nor do they have to be arsey about paying someone to raise or entertain your dc.

BitchQueen90 · 09/11/2017 20:49

Sleeping I've been on both sides of the fence. I only have one DC so I'm sure my experiences are totally different to those who have multiples.

I think what we all need to remember before we throw insults around is that not everyone has a choice. Some women SAH because they just can't afford childcare costs. Some women WOH because they have to to afford bills. If you have the luxury of choice then you are lucky, don't insult others who may not have that choice.

Viviennemary · 09/11/2017 20:49

I wasn't kind either but I'm not being told that I'm a part-time mother and pay somebody else to be a mother the rest of the time. No it's not on. Sorry.

lilybookins · 09/11/2017 20:50

Sleeping - people have suggested it’s just as hard. It’s not. At all

Jenpug · 09/11/2017 20:57

I don't think there's any harm at all in my daughter seeing her mother being a stay at home parent and delighting at having that choice.why is being a SAHM so shameful that you wouldn't want your daughter see you do it?