To alert you to the fact that Topshop just changed its policy to let men into the women's changing rooms

[YouStoleTheBowlFromTheRoom]

Been made aware of this today: a 'gender fluid' man having a pop at Topshop because he wasn't allowed to use the women's changing rooms at their Manchester store:

twitter.com/travisalabanza/status/927198660089339904

Topshop have now been quoted as apologising to him, and saying they've changed their policy to get rid of sex-segregated changing rooms altogether.

Another shop to strike off the list. Am I the only one worried this is past the point of no return?

Swimming pools and baby groups and retail shops are not female only spaces.

Isn't the op is referring to an incident whereby an adult male insisted on being given access to the female changing room julie ?

retail shops are not female only spaces

Well not anymore

The fitting rooms should be female only spaces though.

Ffs it’s a changing room, it’s a public space located within a public space with individual private spaces.

Yep

That is indeed a changing room

The actual changing space should be female only, it makes no difference if the space outside the changing space is gender neutral.

So I suppose the argument is about are curtains adequate.

If they start telling men and woman to share a cubicle I’d see the point, for now this is just another non-issue for snowflakes to protest about.

@maisypops

When you think about it, the loud whiny ones are almost always:

Male to female

Under 30

Love collecting victim badges e.g. queer trans femme

Play to very overly female stereotypes

Dress in a way that screams 'look at me I am so youneek!'

Seem to think 'gender non conforming' means dress like a tramp crossed with a drag queen.

Are some kind of raging social media activist and collect thousands of followers

Write blogs about how society doesn't 'get' them

Bigs up other equally special snowflakes so they can have some pseudo-intellectual circle jerk

Normal trans people are too busy getting on with life to care about the stupid whiny millennials with their victim narratives.

This ^ in spades.

Sorry but some of it made me laugh too. They wear an outfit that screams 'look at me i am so 'youneek!' LOL!

And yeah they do always like Lady gaga or Beyonce, and never seem to like Justin Bieber or Coldplay!

They are so predictable and stereotypical and fecking annoying.

And as has been said on here, they make life so hard for ordinary trans/bi/gay people.

Wait I’m confused, are snowflakes protesting for or against this?

sentimental

I think its for .....or against

I do know that no two snowflakes are the same

Or that might not be true...i dont know how you would actually check that

Whoever posted the youtube videos - i watched them and i just don't have words. I keep thinking about one woman who was attacked by a man identifying as female in a space the victim should have been safe saying was she (victim) "the fucking test subject?" for how all this would pan out.

Nothing has changed and there have been many more test subjects since.

I can't process how this is being allowed to happen. Waiting nervously but not holding my breath in terms of how the autumn review for the legislation and proposed amendments go...

So saddened after reading this thread. Uncomfortable truths. And deeply disturbed by the quotes from transfemme person describing white female children as neither narrow nor straight.

Ffs it’s a changing room, it’s a public space located within a public space with individual private spaces.

Perhaps somebody should have told Travis that when he was kicking up a fuss about having to use the men's changing rooms.

And just to add - obviously everything has mostly been said already but i feel so naive and stupid i had NO IDEA about the voyeur camera stuff!!!!!!!!! Will be keeping this firmly in mind in terms of where to avoid!!! So thanks to whoever posted about that.

For those of you still don’t get this, or can’t see a problem. Take a look at this thread.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3081729-Trans-guidelines-for-schools-in-Scotland

Travis is really the tip of the iceberg.

The vouyer stuff has really upset me too, I have never thought of myself as niave but that’s something that hasn’t really crossed my mind before.
It doesn’t even bear (bare?) thinking about. Men are so fucking gross (I know, I know, not all men).

@sentimentall i know, it's really unnerved me. At least we know now, thank god

Guidance and rules given to schools in Scotland.

"If a transgender young person wants to share a room with other young people who share their gender identity, they should be able to do so
If a transgender young person is sharing a room with their peers, there is no reason for parents or carers of the other young people to be informed "

Not only are women not being asked if they want to share their facilities with men, parents won’t be told if a teenage boy, or several teenage boys, will be sharing a bedroom with their teenage girls.

parents won’t be told if a teenage boy, or several teenage boys, will be sharing a bedroom with their teenage girls.

WTF kind of world have I brought my DS into?

Stop it now. I seriously want to get off.

When they say 'teenager' how young are they talking? Is this as soon as they are all 13? I think this will be emotionally damaging for the children involved and dangerous. Too much, too soon. Out of control situation.

13 year old me wouldn't have been up for this or have known / understood what to do if things escalated.

Are kids meant to understand all this 'new' stuff? How are they meant to keep up? And deal with the consequences? It's a big ask.

GetYourHandsOffMyUnicorn

It’s being discussed now on this thread.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3081729-Trans-guidelines-for-schools-in-Scotland

I’ve seen a lot of stuff in the last couple of years, but these guidelines are absolutely fucking ridiculous.

There is quite quite blatantly absolutely ZERO consideration for anyone other than the person who is identifying as trans.

Which is a mental illness.

Why are we accommodating this and giving it extra civil rights.

Quite clearly, this is not something that the general public want. So why is it been pushed forward and parents not being informed?

Are there any online petitions / links anywhere? I need to read more about the process for proposed changes - I haven't read the links yet about Miranda and co giving their views. I'm concerned it will just be pushed through anyway and it seems with all the changing of sex / names one day this one day that the stats in the aftermath will be difficult to work out.
In the event of crime I mean.

The cameras look like coat hooks;

metro.co.uk/2017/04/14/perverts-are-using-coat-hooks-with-hidden-cameras-to-spy-on-women-using-toilets-6574932/

sagamartha
the Equality Act already covers transitioning as a protected characteristic. As soon as a person announces they have started the process of transitioning they are protected.
It is already law.
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/7

''A person has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment if the person is proposing to undergo, is undergoing or has undergone a process (or part of a process) for the purpose of reassigning the person's sex by changing physiological or other attributes of sex.''

I wonder if TRAs and the gender fluid community (like Travis and his friends) are equally as concerned about men's predatory behaviour in womens changing rooms? After all, many claim to be women and they all seem to want access to our spaces ...