To alert you to the fact that Topshop just changed its policy to let men into the women's changing rooms

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Been made aware of this today: a 'gender fluid' man having a pop at Topshop because he wasn't allowed to use the women's changing rooms at their Manchester store:

twitter.com/travisalabanza/status/927198660089339904

Topshop have now been quoted as apologising to him, and saying they've changed their policy to get rid of sex-segregated changing rooms altogether.

Another shop to strike off the list. Am I the only one worried this is past the point of no return?

Struggling with who you are is an awful thing to go though, my trans friend almost committed suicide many times and every single comment stuck with him.

Woman deserve safe spaces, yes, but people struggling with themselves don’t deserve their feelings to be shut down either.

Not every trans person is out to assult woman, not every man is, not every lesbian is, not every German is, not every vicar is, do you see where im going with this?

Making woman out to be victims at every opportunity hinders us sometimes more than it protects us. What are the stats on how many woman are sexually assaulted in uni-sex changing rooms?

Various bits of the law which would see me guilty of discrimination if I questioned the presence of a transwoman in female bathrooms. The Gender Equality Duty in Scotland, for example.

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As I've said our kids school had brilliant unisex facilities to suit all including transgender teens so I am not against it in general.

I am aware that there was a huge fuss about target in America unisex changing rooms and numerous reports of sexual harassment have been made.

Babyonboard - The thing is, hundreds of thousands of other people don't deserve to suffer to protect your friend's feelings either.

What are the stats on how many woman are sexually assaulted in uni-sex changing rooms?
Interesting question. Let's wait and see if cases of sexual assault increase?

Target, in the States, changed to gender-neutral changing rooms last year. Since then, at least 28 cases of girls and women being sexually harassed or assaulted in their changing rooms: twitter.com/KaeleyT/status/928355787277090816

Since then, at least 28 cases of girls and women being sexually harassed or assaulted in their changing rooms

Has that been a significant increase before their policy changed?

Has the policy made any difference?

Unisex changing room rethink after second strike

man banned from unisex and female changing rooms

There are forums dedicated to voyeurism where men share their pics and discuss which stores have unisex changing rooms and the best looking women. Pic attached above.

NC for this as it's identifying (and unpleasant)
I worked for an organisation that , until relatively recently, had a unisex policy for the toilets in the staff areas and many of the Public areas.
A male employee was convicted of voyeurism offenses (and imprisoned) after it was discovered he had filmed large numbers of women and some children, both colleagues and service users, using the "facilities" by planting covert cameras in the loos. It was a distressing time for the women who were called in to identify themselves.
Now, he was not "trans" anything. He was a voyeuristic pervert, but the only protective measure that could be taken after his offences were discovered was to go back to the old fashioned "male" and "female" toilets. The point being that giving a man unvetted access to women (and children) with their pants off poses a risk to the latter groups and self identification, and bowing to the pressure of transactivism on this issue does just that.

The man I refer to kept an organised library of images and films from his toilet viewings.

DrKrogersfavouritepatient - 'What are the stats on how many woman are sexually assaulted in uni-sex changing rooms?'
Interesting question. Let's wait and see if cases of sexual assault increase?

We'll no longer be able to tell. Stats on sexual violence and inequality will become meaningless.

The sex of both perpetrators and victims is no longer being recorded. Instead, 'gender' is recorded, which boils down to however a person chooses to 'identify' that day. So there'll just be 'some people' sexually assaulted by 'some other people' and nobody will be able to work out why.

The sex of both perpetrators and victims is no longer being recorded. Instead, 'gender' is recorded, which boils down to however a person chooses to 'identify' that day. So there'll just be 'some people' sexually assaulted by 'some other people' and nobody will be able to work out why
You see, I suspect there are people who are OK with that, and might want to argue "what does it matter"?
I fear we're entering the Twilight Zone.

you asked what law? It's the proposed update to the 2004 Gender Recognition Act, which will bring in self-certification of gender, sweeping away the current requirement to live for two years in your chosen gender and the requirement for a doctor's certificate. The consultation period starts 'this autumn' so should be very soon

So it's not actual law yet, is it?

I don't think the actual proposed changes and details have been published yet, have they?

True trans women are not a threat to women and girls. It's the abusive, opportunistic men who will claim to be trans to gain access to women only spaces that are a threat to women and girls

Agree. The problem is not with trans women but with straight biological men who are leches and pervs. I don't know about other places in the UK but when I worked in a shop in central London we regularly had to call security to remove such men because they were masturbating in front of women and girls, or trying to grope them in some way, or trying to take pictures of them over the walls of the toilet cubicles. To believe that this type of man won't try to take advantage of being able to enter single sex facilities for women is hopelessly and dangerously naive. When it comes to women's safety, we really need to see things as they are not how we'd like them to be.

The fairest solution for everybody's safety and privacy and dignity is surely to have an safe open space with individual cubicles with floor to ceiling walls and a lockable doors that any gender can use.

So it's not actual law yet, is it?
Personally, I don't consider that reason enough to not be concerned.

Fact is you could be in a changing room that is solely for woman, getting changed next to a female sex offender/Pedo and letting your children run through in the nude because it’s a nice lovely safe space and woman couldn’t possibly be staring at you or setting up cameras.

But put in someone who may have real issues, who believes they are female despite not being born genetically female, who’s battled years of emotional hardship and hormone drugs and just wants to go and get changed in peace in their own cubicle without being an outsider and they are suddenly sex offenders.

I know which one i’d rather was in the next cubicle along and which one should have to idenitfy their history at the changing room gates.

Should dad’s not be allowed at baby groups because they may look at kids? Should grandads not take their kids swimming because he may be looking at the woman in swimsuits? Or should we stop assuming all men are sex offenders and rather than dividing society more and focus on denying trans their rights and segregating men and woman, actually focus on tackling the issues that are there.

Identifying pedofiles, making it impossible for anyone to peep over a cubicle careless of sex, keeping changing rooms closely monitored etc?

There’s far more effective ways of addressing keeping people safe than banning others who also feel they have a genuine need to feel safe and accepted.

The fairest solution for everybody's safety and privacy and dignity is surely to have an safe open space with individual cubicles with floor to ceiling walls and a lockable doors that any gender can use.

Out of interest, I just googled my local leisure centre to see whether they had had any problems with voyeurism. Thankfully, they haven’t, but three others a little further away from me all have.

And all three of them had had people drilling small holes in the partitions to look through/place a phone camera against.

It goes without saying that all three perpetrators were men spying on women.

fern IKR

Sample forum

Which has a sub-forum dedicated to dressing room footage. Sample post:

I have to say that I almost got caught while doing this kind of dressing room vids 4 months ago, so I went quiet and stayed under the radar for a few months. Better be safe than sorry... But the good thing is, the day I almost got caught, I wasn't in the specific shop where the vids you're gonna watch were done (the best one in my town IMO). So, this shop is still "safe" for now (at least I think so), and I'm gonna go for another serie of dressing room videos in the next weeks

The poster then attaches pics of young women trying on swimming costumes from his spycam.

Should dad’s not be allowed at baby groups because they may look at kids? Should grandads not take their kids swimming because he may be looking at the woman in swimsuits? Or should we stop assuming all men are sex offenders and rather than dividing society more and focus on denying trans their rights and segregating men and woman, actually focus on tackling the issues that are there.
I think this argument is at odds with the issue in the OP which is that a man (and he's not alone) has insisted upon being given access to a previously female only space on the basis that he is not gender conforming. He is not trying to take his grandchild swimming or participate in an activity for the benefit of his baby, he's a grown man, creating a gigantic fuss in order to be allowed to undress in a place that, earlier that day, was considered a place where only females (they're the ones without cocks) were allowed to undress and try on new clothes.

Swimming pools and baby groups are not female only spaces.

The fairest solution for everybody's safety and privacy and dignity is surely to have a safe open space with individual cubicles with floor to ceiling walls and a lockable doors that any gender can use.

With respect, I disagree.
I have no problem being in an open changing area with other women, and as women as a sex do not pose a significant threat of sexual violence or abuse to other women then I'd rather just keep the willies out of the changing rooms.

Swimming pools and baby groups are not female only spaces
Quite
Good point