To alert you to the fact that Topshop just changed its policy to let men into the women's changing rooms

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Been made aware of this today: a 'gender fluid' man having a pop at Topshop because he wasn't allowed to use the women's changing rooms at their Manchester store:

twitter.com/travisalabanza/status/927198660089339904

Topshop have now been quoted as apologising to him, and saying they've changed their policy to get rid of sex-segregated changing rooms altogether.

Another shop to strike off the list. Am I the only one worried this is past the point of no return?

That survey shows that post-reassignment transsexuals (their terminology) have a significantly increased suicide rate.

You would think that that alone would give someone pause when recommending transition to a distressed teenager.

And, while not a study, this group does a good job of documenting media links that show crimes committed by transwomen, particularly those of a sexual nature against women and children: www.facebook.com/groups/1722756661380462/

Given the levels of male-on-female crime we observe among the general male population, I don't think it's unfair to infer that VAWG will be covered by 'violent crime' here

You have no evidence of the 7 crimes committed by transwomen. The survey does not mention the type of crimes. You noticed that the trans population are in a group which has high unemployment, deprivation, drug users and other issues - and so it's no surprise that crime is going to be higher in this population.

I don't think you can infer anything about VAWG from this survey and the 7 violent crimes it was based on.

Also some good informational resources here: wolfwomanofnorth.wordpress.com/2017/02/20/male-transgendertranssexual-sexual-offenses-and-violent-crimes-list/

I don't want to spam with links, but my point is basically that there is ample evidence that trans-identified males ('transwomen') pose a threat to women.

Moreover, even if we were to deny that entirely, transwomen are by definition physically indistinguishable from males. It's not acceptable, in my opinion, to simply allow them full access to women's spaces without proper, involved consultation.

I'm not meaning to post and run, but I have to go deal with childcare etc. so please do forgive any lack of response.

prison governors raised the alarm at the select committee at the high rate of convicted male sex offenders who are choosing to transition to female in prison

And you really think that those convicted male sex offendors who choose to transition in jail are really transwomen? Or are they simply people looking to exploit the system for obvious reasons?

That survey shows that post-reassignment transsexuals (their terminology) have a significantly increased suicide rate

It also shows that once attitudes and tolerance towards transwomen in Sweden got better, the suicide rates plummeted to normal levels,

It seems that there is a link between the way trans people are treated and tolerated by society (along with acceptance, jobs etc) and the suicide rate.

I won't shop there any more then! Surely places could still have make and female only changing rooms or whatever but then also have unisex as well? I really feel like women will end up with no women only spaces and eventually no safe spaces at all. As a survivor of multiple rapes and other sexual assaults I find it really scary.

Ian Huntley the Soham murderer and serial rapist and abuser now identifies as a woman in prison, 'Lina

Maybe he should be given HRT, have surgery and then be put in a male prison by himself? I suspect that will kill his desire to be Lina.

I wouldn't send my young girl into a mixed changing room. Not because of the trans community but if it was entirely mixed in general as some places are now doing where changing rooms as mixed male and female I wouldn't feel comfortable. Why? Because women and children are sexually harassed and assaulted by men in shops and shopping centres.

I'm not blaming the trans gender community for that but my girl at nine had already had a man expose himself to her and why increase the of putting her in a room of men to get changed behind a curtain.

I also think if there is a group of teens messing about and a teen of the opposite sex getting changed next door behind a curtain it could be very uncomfortable.

One of the arguments given was that a gender fluid person with a male appearance faces hassle taking dresses into a male changing room. But surely if it was a male and female joint changing area those abusive people would still be in the same changing area?

My kids school has non gender toilets which are completely separate cubicles. In this way everyone is safe rather than a small amount of people being made safe and making thousands of others feel unsafe in the process.

yes I do think they are transwomen - why don't you

I don't believe that a sex offendor in jail suddenly decides to identify as female once they are in jail. I would ask why it took going to jail to suddenly decide to identify as female and ask for a transfer to a female jail. Why didn't they come out before hand?

Because it doesn't fit your argument about trans-identified men being safe and fluffy despite the overwhelming evidence posted by a string of Mumsnetters above

Do you think it's a coincedence that a male sex offender decides to identify as female when they go to a male jail so they can be transferred from the male estate to a different estate?

Or do you think they might have ulterior motives?

The problem is the new Act lets anyone self-identify

Yes, I know. I don't think people should be able to self identify.

But the point is saga it does not matter how, when or why men decide to identify as trans - the end result is the same - they are allowed to enter women’s same sex spaces as if they were female. The law does not make the distinction between real trans people and those exploiting the law.

Theres no such thing as 'real' trans and 'fake' trans. They are protected by the new amendments to the Equality Act, and they are all really trans as soon as they say they are.
Their rights conflict with those of other people, which is a legal minefield. Its a very badly thought out piece of legislation and its going to take several test cases to sort it all out.

The law does not make the distinction between real trans people and those exploiting the law

What law?

This is why we have women only spaces and why I don't want to hear your complaints.

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