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SIL won't see my baby.

768 replies

Littlejayx · 05/11/2017 19:44

It's not something I wanted to post but I need advice.

I have a four month old daughter, the first grandchild for my parents, I am the youngest of four. My brother and his wife have been trying to conceive for over four years.

I am very close with my brother and is very much a people pleaser. His wife ignored me over many family events, to which my brother told me it was hard for her (which I understand).

But now is basically 'birthday season' in my family many having land mark birthdays. My brother will be turning 40 and having a weekend full of celebrating. It's a big family thing where all the children from her side have been invited including her nieces and nephews ( ages from one month old to 7 years ) My partner and I have been invited but not my daughter as it's too hard for her to see her.

My brother on the other hand sees her as much as possible but alone.

Would I be unreasonable to take this personally? It's very hard to be singled out because obviously I won't be going anywhere without her

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BishBoshBashBop · 06/11/2017 13:54

If she was really that heartbroken it would be no babies at all at the party.

I repeat yet again, not necessarily.

HTH

Gemini69 · 06/11/2017 13:56

I find it very disturbing that some posts have suggested that it is acceptable for a 'Child/Baby' be hidden from a Family events... to pretend the child/baby does not exist ... for the child/baby not be allowed to move freely... for fear of offending a lady who has not yet had a child due to whatever this lady's unfortunate and upsetting circumstances are... this Child/Baby is already here and deserves to be allowed to enjoy it's little world with all the Family Flowers

CotswoldStrife · 06/11/2017 13:57

Now that your other brother has opened the dialogue, perhaps he could say 'too late - I've already told her'.

I do think it needs sorting now, otherwise it could drag on forever and it's not fair on the OP and her daughter. It's not about the daughter not knowing about a party when she's young, it's about being excluded. That's not on at all.

Motherbear26 · 06/11/2017 14:04

I know she’s hurting but this is all wrong. She would potentially be upset by the presence of your child, but she doesn’t give a monkeys about the fact that you might be upset rocking up to a party without your dp and dc when you have been assured by the host that dp’s and dc will not be attending. For whatever reason she obviously doesn’t care about your feelings. She is being deceitful and downright nasty.

I have no idea what the best course of action is here as it’s obvious you want to keep the peace, but this situation and her behaviour can’t continue unchecked. I hope you get something sorted op.Flowers

Roomster101 · 06/11/2017 14:08

It might blow over but I would not sit and wait for that to happen. I would not allow my child to be excluded then become a part of her life when she allows it.

She can't "not allow" her child to be excluded from an event that her SIL has organised. It's her party even if it is for her DH's birthday and she can therefore invite who she likes. The SIL won't be able to exclude OP's child from events organised by other people so she will have to either not go herself or get over it. It is likely that time will change the SIL attitude but OP can't force the change.

Anatidae · 06/11/2017 14:20

I have huge sympathy for anyone undergoing infertility. It’s gruelling and it’s heartbreaking.

It’s also not something she should be affecting (impinging? I’m not sure of the word I’m looking for... I mean allowing to impact negatively on) the whole family with.

She may, unfortunately, never have a child. And that’s heartbreaking for her and her partner. It also doesn’t give her the right to engineer situations where one specific child is excluded, however painful the presence of that child is. A family party excluding one baby is not on. Child free, or babes in arms, or all kids, or no under 12s depending on he venue, or any other neutral rule, but NOT ‘not you and your baby.’

The baby is not responsible for her pain, even if its presence causes SIL pain.

Mummyoflittledragon · 06/11/2017 14:20

Roomster
Op, her brother or her dh can, however, call the sil out for this.

I’m struggling to find another situation, where a person - child or adult - would be condoned for excluding another member of the team/family/friendship group when there has been no argument or falling out. In what world is this right? Surely you excuse yourself from the situation, not the other way round?

pigeondujour · 06/11/2017 14:23

She can certainly make sure her SIL incurs consequences for behaving so badly on this occasion. I would have no qualms about doing so in OP's position, to be honest. I would be making it absolutely clear to all of my family what I had been told vs what had been said to other brother, preferably by texting them those screenshots. Including the birthday brother once the surprise was uncovered.

DunkMeInTomatoSoup · 06/11/2017 14:23

Staight from the Op - this comment His wife ignored me over many family events The SIL doenthavea baby problem, she has a you problem and is fixating on the baby as a means to get at you.

I'm afraid, I'd be going to my brothers party, with my child, and if she throws a hissy, everyone will look at all the other children and think she is really quite bonkers.

AcrossthePond55 · 06/11/2017 14:24

I think SiL is wrong in this, but if you have messaged her that you will drop by sans DD it's not right to blindside her now by walking in with her.

I'd call or message her that your nBB (non-Birthday Brother) has shown you the messages and that you are now either going to attend with DD or you are going to decline the invite altogether, it's up to SiL which you do. And that if you do decline the invite, you are NOT keeping the reason why a secret from BB (Birthday Brother) nor anyone else who asks.

You haven't said yet what your parents think of all of this. And just out of purely idle curiosity, with whom does your family usually spend the Holidays? Because if SiL/nBB host you can probably expect a repeat. If so, then I'd either jump the gun and offer to host or I'd ask your parents to do so.

But something tells me that SiL/nBB usually go to her family.

Appuskidu · 06/11/2017 14:40

But something tells me that SiL/nBB usually go to her family.

I suspect SIL will be spending it with BB (birthday brother)!

What do your parents say about this, OP?

ohfourfoxache · 06/11/2017 14:49

I'd call or message her that your nBB (non-Birthday Brother) has shown you the messages and that you are now either going to attend with DD or you are going to decline the invite altogether, it's up to SiL which you do. And that if you do decline the invite, you are NOT keeping the reason why a secret from BB (Birthday Brother) nor anyone else who asks.

^ this. With bells on.

harrietm87 · 06/11/2017 14:49

OP are your parents going to be there - won't they wonder why their grandchild isn't? If they/other family members ask why you've only come for 30mins without your baby, what will you say?

I wonder whether your SIL has thought this through and thinks that everyone will understand and share her point of view. I assume she must do (going by the text to your brother). Do you know why your baby is particularly traumatic for her?

Having suffered multiple losses myself (albeit over a short time) I can sympathise with your SIL hurting. Also if there were any issues in your relationship before this will magnify them x100 (maybe why she is fine with her own family/other babies). If she was already resentful of you then this will have made it much worse. She's not acting rationally at all.

I think you either need to get this all out in the open before the party, maybe by involving her husband. You don't necessarily have to mention the surprise, you could just bring up the fact that he's always seeing the baby alone and ask whether there's anything you can do/how long he thinks it will last as you're thinking about family events in future where SIL and the baby will be there? Or you could contact her directly and ask for a chat.

Alternatively, wait until afterwards.

I don't think though that you should just show up with the baby as she clearly thinks her behaviour is justified, and it might cause a huge scene and ruin the party for everyone. It could be difficult to go back from that. If you're not there with the baby it will likely bring things to a head anyway, but you will appear reasonable rather than aggressive and insensitive.

Roomster101 · 06/11/2017 14:50

Op, her brother or her dh can, however, call the sil out for this.

Her DH can't say anything as he doesn't know about the party. We don't really know that he would want to either... The other brother can call her out but maybe she wouldn't care that much about it. It seems she is more concerned with inviting her own friends and family than OP''s. I'm not condoning what she is doing but on this occasion, she is organising the party so it would be inappropriate for people she hasn't invited to turn up.

HaHaHmm · 06/11/2017 14:54

I'd call or message her that your nBB (non-Birthday Brother) has shown you the messages and that you are now either going to attend with DD or you are going to decline the invite altogether, it's up to SiL which you do. And that if you do decline the invite, you are NOT keeping the reason why a secret from BB (Birthday Brother) nor anyone else who asks.

This.

AcrossthePond55 · 06/11/2017 14:56

That was a big 'oops' from me, wasn't it Appu? Blush

Meant SiL & BB, obviously. Unless there's more going on in OP's family than just the current problem! Wink

Roomster101 · 06/11/2017 14:58

I'm afraid, I'd be going to my brothers party, with my child, and if she throws a hissy, everyone will look at all the other children and think she is really quite bonkers.

So you think it appropriate to turn up to a party even if not invited and if it could potentially cause a scene that could ruin the party for the person who is having a birthday?

Categoric · 06/11/2017 15:03

I had 2 children late by IVF after multiple rounds of IVF and miscarriages. It was the hardest and most emotionally traumatic period of my life.

BUT I never ever took my feelings out on anyone else because life isn’t fair on any level and it wouldn’t be reasonable to be unkind to someone simply because they have got what you want. Some people are naturally very fertile. It is all entirely random and that is why infertility is so cruel.

Your SIL is being unkind. You need to (gently) say that you are not prepared to allow her to continue to exclude your DD. Ask her outright if being unkind to DD makes her feel any better, I bet it doesn’t.

DumbledoresPensieve · 06/11/2017 15:07

I'm having real trouble understanding OP why you don't just contact SIL directly with something along the lines of this:

'SIL,

My initial understanding was that DBs party was a childfree event. However it's since come to my attention that it's only my child that is being excluded. As I'm sure you can understand this has left me rather bemused and upset. Can you let me know if there's been a mistake, or if indeed you've chosen to only exclude my child?

While I don't wish to be insensitive, if it is the case that it's only my child that's been excluded and other babies will be welcome, can you let me know why, as I'm struggling to understand? Is this going to be the case for future gatherings? Obviously as you know she's ebf if she isn't welcome I won't be able to attend and I'm not comfortable lying to DB as to the reasons why, so I'll explain to him - or perhaps you could when he asks where we are? - after the event'

Done.

questionbasket · 06/11/2017 15:07

You can't live your life tiptoeing around others. Life doesn't revolve around her. The day isn't about her. It's sad she has problems but she sounds very callous with it and she's become conceited and focused on her own issues.

bigmac4me · 06/11/2017 15:26

I have read this thread in floods of tears. Tears I never thought I would shed again. Some awful, terrible comments such as "stealing glory" and "get over herself". Ironically I thought I had "got over myself" many decades ago, until I read this thread.

I firstly want to commend the OP for her sensitivity and understanding. She has spoken so maturely, wiser than her years in many ways.

There are no words to describe the pain and grief and loss surrounding infertility. We tried to have children for well over a decade - sold out house to finance IVF, nearly lost my life twice, gave up my career, lost contact with friends and family. The pain was so overwhelming and my attitude to those who were having children was cruel and evil at times. I have had other sad losses in my life and other close bereavements, but nothing will ever, ever come close to those infertile years. The only thing I can compare it to is having the tragic loss of a close loved one, but having that loss again and again and again, every month that passes by that tragic loss renews and every day that passes it grows in intensity, not lessens a little as other bereavements can do. I could not be around children or babies, and some were worse than others. Not for the child themselves but as others describe maybe the attitude of a MIL, or other adults. It was unbearable and I was very, very much more selfish or unreasonable that the OP's SIL is. I was unreasonable to my husband also. And as I say that grew and grew as very month, every year, every decade passed. And the guilt, not only of not being able to give my husband a child, our grandparents grandchildren, was immense. But more than that. It was as if all the generations that had gone before, throughout thousands of years, was coming to an end because of me. I expect that sounds very dramatic. Yes, it does. But it was the truth of what it was like. Every day.

Some people have suggested that the OP brings her lovely baby to the party anyway. Others have suggested the baby and her Dad wait in the car, though it is then likely that others would innocently suggest the baby is bought in. If I were the SIL and that happened to me, I think I would died, I would have wanted to. As I sit here all this time on and remember what it was like and I cannot imagine a worse situation that that. A baby I had not anticipated coming into the safe haven of my home. All these years on I can feel an echo of that horror., though am glad for the understanding of the OP and not wanting to do that.

I wish you well, OP, and your baby and husband, and hope that your brother's birthday celebrations go well for everyone concerned.

Shiela2017 · 06/11/2017 15:36

Thread is horrible! It's the perfect fertile against the bitter infertile....

BakedBeans47 · 06/11/2017 15:37

bigmac Flowers

Anatidae · 06/11/2017 15:38

Thread is horrible! It's the perfect fertile against the bitter infertile....

There are some unpleasant comments.

There are also plenty that acknowledge that the SIL is undoubtedly suffering and yet this is still not a situation she should be creating.

Shiela2017 · 06/11/2017 15:41

Anatidae I agree with you but I am just suprised at the lack of empathy for her and the vilification of someone who is deeply troubled x

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