To be shocked at the sheer amount of hatred and ignorance about transpeople on mumsnet

[Curiositykilledthecat113]

Specifically transwomen, according to the majority of mumsnet, all transwomen want to rape biological women, “steal their womanhood” and all sorts of other ridiculous, offensive statements without any factual backing.

So why is Mumsnet so intolerant and ignorant towards transgender people?

YABU and a GF.

Was it the way that it was expressed that you found dodgy? Because the statement itself is factual. Biological males who decide they are trans are still biological males. No amount of hormones and surgery can change the chromosomes, and almost all human beings are very clearly either XX or XY.

Of course, but it was expressed in a way to say that male to female trans should be discounted, you're still really a male. I found it offensive. If someone is transgender, I think they should be treated as the gender they choose.

Receipts please.

There are certainly comments that generalise about transpeople in a negative way. They are not transphobic in themselves but a lot of them do add up.

Comments about behaviour, attitudes, appearance etc.

My position is simple. If you have a penis, you don't take it into a women's only space. Call it hatred, if you like, I call it biology.

I don't fear transwomen at all.

I do fear men who pretend to be transwomen to gain access to domestic violence shelters and womens' prisons, as has already happened where they have then gone on to commit crimes or harassment. They're not trans. They're predators using easily-abused laws designed for others' benefit for their own ends.

In turn, I then fear for transpeople who would be under additional suspicion and a culture of negativity should these incidents increase.

Cases have already been documented of men 'self declaring' their way into a shelter to commit rape (I believe it was in Canada) and 'self declaring' in prison so that female prison staff have to do their strip-searches, whereby the prisoner then mocks and makes sexual comments to the staff.

Transpeople, no problem.

Criminals abusing laws aimed at protecting transpeople, big problem.

Oh, the other thing is statistics. If men can be twats and just declare "but I'm a woman" when they're arrested, suddenly 'violent crime amongst women' is going to rocket by 1000%. "Rapes by women now the most popular sex crime," the Daily Mail will gleefully crow, "Almost all rape now committed by women." With the numbers skewed, both cis and transgender people will struggle to get any funding or resources they need because the statistics will suggest they are a minority group.

I don’t hate trans people. I want them to have forefilling, safe and enjoyable lived. I do not think a person can have a safe and forefilling life which is founded on lies and misdirection.

What does being 'treated as the gender they choose' involve? Do I have to pretend I'm okay with being examined by a transwoman when I have requested a female HCP? Do I have to lie in a hospital bed next to patients with penises? Does my daughter have to compete against boys in competitive sport?

You have to be extremely ignorant and have no reading comprehension skills to come to the conclusion that MNers are transphobic.

You could try actually reading the threads and trying to absorb and understand what some people's issues are surrounding the issue. You don't have to agree but it would help if you at least try to understand what people are saying instead of shouting 'transphobic'.

If there’s a trans woman in female spaces I will have no reservations in telling them to leave

It might come across as rude. But I guess it’s more likely to be interpretative as ‘trans phobic’ which is tough really

Stay out of our female changing rooms please!

all transwomen want to rape biological women

No more than all men want to rape women but we don't want them in our spaces either, even though many of us have husbands, sons, brothers and fathers who we know are decent harmless people. Schroedinger's rapist. Google it.

“steal their womanhood”

Go on then, what is a woman? £5 if you can give us a non-circular definition which includes both me and transwomen. If we can't define what a woman is we have no hope of fighting for women's rights or even articulating why that's necessary in the first place. Women are oppressed by men because of our reproductive potential and our relative physical weakness. Those are biological differences and nothing to do with gender.

I am bored fucking shitless by the trans agenda and hope the whole thing disappears up its own arsehole.

Hth.

@Curiositykilledthecat113 do you have any idea why people who are concerned about transphobia on mumsnet, or who feel they want to educate us on trans issues, tend to start a thread but then when we try to engage in respectful debate with them, they disappear?

You're not one of those people - are you?

all transwomen want to rape biological women

Citation needed.

I don’t hate trans people at all. Not in the slightest. Live your life in a way that makes you feel happy.

However I do object to trans women being in lists of ‘greatest women in.......’, winning ‘woman of the year’, being the only woman on the board of a company etc.

I welcome trans women with open arms, come and sit with me and I’ll buy you a drink. Just don’t nick my lunch that I worked twice as hard as you to buy and then claim it was your right.

If someone is transgender, I think they should be treated as the gender they choose.

And that's where the whole concept of feeling like the opposite sex baffles me. I can't imagine that transwomen actually want to be treated like women. Do they want to go into a meeting in work and be asked to make everyone a coffee because they're the only woman? Or to put forward an innovative idea just to be shot down. Then ten minutes later, listen to a male colleague make the same suggestion and be lauded as some sort of hero? Do they want people to criticise their driving, comment on their weight and beauty (or lack of), ignore them once they hit the age of 40, expect them to do the housework, and accuse them of being hysterical if they get upset by something? Somehow I doubt it.

well said Ursula 😂

Sorry but can you link or quote the phobic writing ? Iv never seen a thing and the people who generally start these type of threads are trans themselves???

Nobody here hates trans people. We just care about women's rights and children's rights and the rights of actual dysphoric trans people whose struggle has been hijacked by a bunch of kinksters.

I’m all for everyone being able to be who they want. It honestly doesn’t bother me.
However, there is one thing that I can’t get my head around (and it is the reverse of the issue originally stated but I’m hoping someone can shed some light)...
We should no longer be called ‘pregnant women/ladies’ for fear of insulting the transgender society. We must be ‘pregnant people’. Now, if you find being a woman so abhorrent that you’ll undergo major surgery to turn yourself into a man, why on earth would you want to do the one thing that would define you as a woman and get pregnant?! And, therefore, why should this be a issue?

I've worked in a professional capacity with trans people. I am aware of the immense prejudice & discrimination they face in society. I am also aware of the evidence base in the area of trans research which clearly indicates:

1. Trans women maintain a male pattern of criminality i.e. They commit violent & sexual crimes at the same rate as men.

1. A significant number of trans women are autogynephilic. Sexual fetishes are part of the human condition, and are fine between consenting adults. I'm not sure we should be asking women to share spaces with people who are deriving sexual pleasure from their appearance.

1. The extremely high rate of mental health problems and autism in trans people points to a complex picture regarding the development of gender dysphoria. Most experts in the field acknowledge this, and there is increasing discomfort about proposed changes in legislation that might negatively affect both trans people and women.

I've seen much frustration about the lack of objective evidence & critical thinking around gender issues on Mumsnet. Also, anger regarding debate being closed down/women's voices not being heard - but I've seen little genuine transphobia.

And that's where the whole concept of feeling like the opposite sex baffles me

Have you ever spoken to a trans person in real life to find out how they feel?

Wonder where the OP has gone...

Isnt there something like 11 million users of mumsnet

And the majority 'hate' transpeople

Anyway i think OP has gone to bed

Interesting you make this statement without engaging with any of the (many) serious threads discussing the actual issues around the GRB, many of which include posting and conversation with highly articulate MNetters who are trans themselves, which kind of negates the whole transphobic thing. As is always said, please point out any posts that breach the posting guidelines and I and many other posters will be very glad to help you report them.

However I suspect this is either a random 'goady subject- discuss' handgrenade, or someone who's turned up to tick MN off without the faintest idea of the real discussions had here.

I’m not transphobic not by any stretch of the imagination.

I just don’t wish to be in a vulnerable situation with a fully functioning penis