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WIBU to not subsidise DHs Shared Parental Leave?

240 replies

PurplePipp · 02/11/2017 17:11

I'll start by saying that DH have separate finances and it works for us. We both pay into a shared account which all household expenses come out of and leaves us with the same amount of money left over for extras (our own cars, hobbies etc).

DH and I are adopting next year and will be taking SPL. I will be taking six months at full pay and have also saved up a lot of annual leave over the years so will be off for about 10 months in total. The plan was for DH to take about 12 weeks of SPL at statutory pay, to run parallel to my leave so we are both at home together and have a better chance to bond.

I am the main earner although we both work full time. I earn about double what DH does. I also average about 7 hours a week of overtime but the opportunity to do lots more. DH rarely gets the opportunity to work overtime.

For every week of SPL my DH takes, we need £100 in savings to subsidise his statutory pay. I recently received a large performance bonus that has gone straight into savings. I've picked up a project at work which means I can get an extra 5 hours of overtime a week, which will go into savings. This means we should in theory have enough to buy all the baby bits we need as well as DH taking 12 weeks of leave.

But DH has now been asked to work 3 Sunday's between now and Christmas. He is able to have this either as overtime or as time in lieu, and he has decided to take it as time in lieu and have the Fridays off instead so he still gets two days off on those weeks. I know it's a pain only having one day off a week, but this is only for 3 non-consecutive weeks and it's pissed me off a bit that he's not taking it as overtime. The Sunday's are also only 6 hours but paid as an 8 hour day, and I work this amount of overtime every week.

I'm going to have a chat with DH tonight to see if I can persuade him to take them as overtime instead, but if not WIBU to say that I don't want my overtime and my bonus to subsidise his time off if he has the opportunity to contribute to it himself but chooses not to? I'd still be happy to subsidise 6 weeks, but I kinda feel like why should I be working my arse off for him to have 12 weeks off?

The flipside of this is that he does work hard in his job, pulls his weight with housework and childcare arrangements and is genuinely a really lovely person. Our financial situation has always been this way so we generally agree that because I'm the higher earner I pay more towards the house and pay into savings because he's not able to, his financial contribution is smaller but we are both left with equal amounts of spending money as I think that's fair.

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museumum · 02/11/2017 18:50

I think you should both be very careful about tiring yourself out emotionally mentally and physically. You’ll need all your resources and resilience for your new Child. I think you should go into this as well rested as possible.

I do understand why time off is important (have a friend who adopted two girls age 1&3) but equally it’s not something g you can do knackered before you even start.

43percentburnt · 02/11/2017 18:51

Does he do an extra 15-22 hours round the house each week? The food shop, cleaning etc? Or does he have an extra 15-22 hours free to himself each week and housework is 50/50?

If it’s the latter he is being selfish expecting you to have so much less free time.

littlebird7 · 02/11/2017 18:51

Can I also add op I think YOU are the one who really needs a break. Why not book a spa break for the weekend or something special before your life becomes too busy? If you are feeling so tired and stressed you are really not going to enjoy this time as much.

A babymoon pre child celebration on one of the days your dh is taking off would be lovely for you. You can always take one or two days off. You sound like you need it, and it will be good for all of you.

OnionShite · 02/11/2017 18:54

Self employed people get Maternity Allowance charolais, which is about £600 a month for 9 months. OP is extremely unusual in getting full pay throughout her leave, most of us don't. Personally I have had not one week of full pay during my multiple MLs. Although that was still better than what you have in the US. That's an awful system.

Appuskidu · 02/11/2017 18:57

If 3 days overtime pays for an additional 2weeks parental leave I can see why you want him to take the pay rather than the TOIL.

I agree! I totally see your point, OP.

PurplePipp · 02/11/2017 18:59

We had our babymoon last month!

I've got enough annual leave saved up to start my leave pretty much as soon as we are matched. I've got some time off coming up over Christmas to look forward to too. I should be nice and refreshed by the time our child arrives!

Usually the housework and cooking etc is split 50/50 even when I'm doing 5 hours of overtime a week plus the commute, but he starts work later in the day and does all of DSDs school runs too. He's picking up more housework now I'm working additional overtime on top of the norm.

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Mummyoflittledragon · 02/11/2017 19:02

Charolais
I read your post on another thread, which shocked the readers. I see you’re spouting more controversial crap.

yorkshireyummymummy · 02/11/2017 19:05

YANBU.
Why should he not do overtime when he gets the unusual opportunity when you do it every week?
And to those people who are saying that the OP shouldn't be adopting - stop being so bloody high and mighty and judgemental. Talk about judging someone on a single frame of their life! I can't believe people would be so damn nasty as to question someones suitability to adopt based on a single financial mumsnet post. How fucking cruel. I would think the Social workers in charge of the extremely rigorous process the OP and her DH have gone through would have a better idea than a load of armchair keyboard bitches.

Pearly70 · 02/11/2017 19:06

His 3 days off are earmarked for the Xbox!

In that case he is being very unreasonable and you are right to be quite cross!!! I WOULD BE Angry

PurplePipp · 02/11/2017 19:09

How fucking cruel. I would think the Social workers in charge of the extremely rigorous process the OP and her DH have gone through would have a better idea than a load of armchair keyboard bitches.

Honestly thank you so much. I can put up with most anything being said about me, but telling me I shouldn't be adopting has really crushed me. After everything DH and I have been through, I have a funny 5 minutes of frustration and get told our relationship isn't strong enough for us to adopt.

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themorus · 02/11/2017 19:13

Yabu - a man would be torn to shreds for saying the same, you are supposed to be working together for the good of your new family

afrikat · 02/11/2017 19:16

Does he understand how exhausted you are and that by taking these hours he would be helping to alleviate that? If so he's being pretty unreasonable and should step up to help you out.
At this point do you NEED the extra money or would it just be nice to have more? If you technically have enough saved it might be worth ramping things down and getting some rest yourself it sounds like it's been very tough going
Ignore the idiots suggesting you shouldn't be adopting. You're doing an amazing thing and some people just turn into twats when hiding behind a keyboard

Swizzlesticks23 · 02/11/2017 19:16

I actually think your not being u reasonable.

I don't see why you should put all hours in and him not? It's only three weeks it won't kill him.

PurplePipp · 02/11/2017 19:21

Honestly I don't think it's even occurred to DH that it would take some pressure off of me if he took it as overtime instead of TOIL.

We currently have £2100 saved but need to do a couple of little odd jobs around the house that will cost £100 or so. We also need to get a pram and car seat but won't be doing this until we are matched. This would leave us with £1600 saved but £1k of this is our rainy day fund so dont want to eat into that. Leaving £600 for SPL, so six weeks for DH.

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afrikat · 02/11/2017 19:24

Honestly I don't think it's even occurred to DH that it would take some pressure off of me if he took it as overtime instead of TOIL

I would definitely make it clear to him then and ask him how he thinks he will afford 12 weeks off if you don't have enough saved between you.

lasttimeround · 02/11/2017 19:25

The kids not here yet so all these argumentservices about being a family and pulling together don't apply yet. So at this stage as you are waiting on your child and could really do with extra income to buy the usual or have more time with them, I think it's totally reasonable to expect him to prioritise overtime rather than days off.
When you have your child is think that gets different as then time at home isn't time off.
I won't read the whole thread as pretty upset at how nasty sind have been to an adopting parent. Keep strong op I'm sure you'll be a great mother. Anyone egos managed all the hoops of adoption surely has put in time effort and energy in spades.

YellowMakesMeSmile · 02/11/2017 19:26

It sounds very strange, it seems to be you pushing for everything so he's probably taken this chance to take back some control.

He works five days and already has a child he parents, he's not taking time off he's just swapping working days.

It's all a bit of what's mine is mine and work harder. Maybe he's starting to feel resentful.

Jenijena · 02/11/2017 19:26

I think you should be gentler on both of you. If you’re going to scrape through finAncially, you don’t need to do as much overtime either. I know it’s huge and scary and financially and emotionally wobbly, but be gentle.

YoloSwaggins · 02/11/2017 19:28

And to those people who are saying that the OP shouldn't be adopting - stop being so bloody high and mighty and judgemental. Talk about judging someone on a single frame of their life! I can't believe people would be so damn nasty as to question someones suitability to adopt based on a single financial mumsnet post. How fucking cruel. I would think the Social workers in charge of the extremely rigorous process the OP and her DH have gone through would have a better idea than a load of armchair keyboard bitches.

Agree - just ignore these vile people OP, some people are so sick of their own lives they have nothing better to do that bash randomers on the Internet. You will be great parents Smile

CurlyhairedAssassin · 02/11/2017 19:31

“YABU - a man would be torn to shreds for saying the same”

No he wouldn’t. Doesn’t matter what Dec both people are! If both partners work full time and one works overtime to earn extra money and the other chooses to work on a weekend day instead of their usual Friday rather than working a weekend day as a day extra, for extra pay, then how does it FUCKING matter who is what sex!!!!

Get yourself out the dark ages.

C8H10N4O2 · 02/11/2017 19:33

OP: Its pretty common here for women to say they do all the household stuff citing their DH's long hours and higher income capacity. Somehow this rarely seems to work the other way around.

You know the SPL is for the child's benefit, I'm guessing you are worrying about the upcoming year just as biological parents do. Its reasonable to expect him to do overtime at this stage when you are doing likewise.

Forget relative money, you are already sharing household 'spending money'. Focus on each of you also having similar free time. If one does longer days then the other picks up more of the home tasks so that you both share the spendable time in the way you share spendable money.

C8H10N4O2 · 02/11/2017 19:35

It's all a bit of what's mine is mine and work harder

Where do you get that from? The OP stated from the beginning that any spare money in the household is shared between them. However free time in the household seems to be going one way - they need to share that as well.

CurlyhairedAssassin · 02/11/2017 19:35

OP, there is one glaring omission with regards to the information you’re giving And whether him taking TOIL instead of pay is reasonable.

When does he see his daughter? Is that impacting on his decision in some way?

PurplePipp · 02/11/2017 19:37

It sounds very strange, it seems to be you pushing for everything so he's probably taken this chance to take back some control

Just out of curiosity what makes you think that I'm doing all the pushing? Honestly I think it's an interesting observation because the way things have worked out are mostly down to DHs pushing. Obviously now there is nothing I want more than to be a mum, but he was the driving force behind the adoption. I would also manage if he could only take a few weeks of leave and then had to return to work, but he made it clear how upset he was having to leave his dd at home whilst he returned to work and how it would be even harder with an adopted child he needed to form an attachment with. Neither circumstances have been him trying to sway me or emotionally manipulate me, it's just that his motivations have been the driving force behind this, not mine.

So for me, for every 10 hours of overtime I do, I know we can afford for my DH to have an extra week of leave. I find it hard to say no to that when I know it's so important to him and that it will also benefit me Sad

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TeenTimesTwo · 02/11/2017 19:39

Have a rest, you'll feel better for it.

Can't quite work out whether you have a specific child you've been linked to or not. Either way it is a big pressure for you. I can't see any reason from what you've written why you shouldn't make great adopters. Remember you only have to be 'good enough' not perfect.

Our car seats were paid for by SS as part of a settling in grant, though as that was 10years ago things may well have tightened. Prams you can buy second hand, the baby won't know. We found friends were very generous with hand me downs for large items of equipment, plus the small ads were good.

Would asking your parents for a cheque at xmas rather than presents help take pressure off?

Maybe stay of AIBU too.