Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Manafort Destiny? Trump continued

986 replies

PerkingFaintly · 30/10/2017 13:07

Where will the charges against Manafort lead? Whose shredders are overheating today? And most importantly, when will the Tweetstorm-from-the-loo start?

Previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3061258-FMOTUS-F-ing-Moron-of-the-United-States-Trump-thread-continued?pg=1

OP posts:
Thread gallery
58
cozietoesie · 31/10/2017 00:35

Hey. I got it right! (Well done Autocorrect.) Smile

TheClaws · 31/10/2017 00:47

9 pages already! I’ll need to sit down with a coffee. Thanks for the beautifully named thread, Perking, and I was very happy indeed to wake up to the news of a reasonable-sized fish Smile

InigoTaran · 31/10/2017 00:49

Keith Oberman is sure enjoying this!

mobile.twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/925157368605835264/video/1

7Days · 31/10/2017 01:07

I am surprised at this.
Was expecting JFK docs to be revealed.
What's the story?

Lweji · 31/10/2017 01:41

Happy Arrestivus 🌲

Grin
InigoTaran · 31/10/2017 02:37

Oooh will Trump resign?

Scott Dworkin
@funder
Fmr RNC staffer told me Trump’s asked about the resignation process—it’s the 4th person who’s told me this & WH hasn’t denied #TrumpResign

TheClaws · 31/10/2017 02:37

Meanwhile, in Hannity-land. And no, Sean, I don’t think that’s all Mueller has BTW.

Fox News‏Verified account @FoxNews 1h1 hour ago
More
.@seanhannity on Manafort indictment: "Is this all Mueller has? Because if it is, it's pathetic." #Hannity fxn.ws/2ltFLyO

OuaisMaisBon · 31/10/2017 03:30

Hi, everyone, thanks as always for the great work keeping us up to date on Trompe l'oeil's excesses. But, having puzzled over it since yesterday, I'm afraid I need to show my ignorance by asking the meaning of this thread title and why everyone is so appreciative of it, as any special reference completely eludes me? Thank you!

Saffronwblue · 31/10/2017 04:52

He could resign now and go out as a martyr- 'I was just too good for them- they didn't realise what they had'.
When you think his main business strategy was to declare bankruptcy when things got tough, resignation is perhaps similar. Hopeful.

PainInTheEerie · 31/10/2017 05:08

lion On a similar note

Conspirador Norteño
@conspirator0
9h
Unsurprisingly, a Twitter brigade has formed to spin today's Manafort etc indictments as related to the Democrats rather than #TrumpRussia.

Manafort Destiny? Trump continued
PainInTheEerie · 31/10/2017 05:11

cozie

Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
The same day as George Papadopoulos's first FBI interview (Jan. 27), Trump called Comey to the W.H., told him he expected loyalty from him.

Caroline O.
@RVAwonk
-Papadopoulos was arrested on July 27th
-Reince Priebus ousted same day
-Next day, RNC staff was told to preserve all campaign-related docs

PainInTheEerie · 31/10/2017 05:25

On interviews

Carter Page

Sarah Lerner
Sarah Lerner
@SarahLerner

CHRIS HAYES: Were you on email chains with Papadopoulos about Russia?

CARTER PAGE: It may have come up from time to time...

m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59f7cb28e4b0aec1467a5b73/amp

Eliza Orlins
@eorlins
Wow. @chrislhayes called him bold or reckless, saying, “I genuinely hope you’re innocent because you’ve been doing a lot of talking.”

Renato Mariotti
@renato_mariotti
There are a lot of foolish people in federal prison right now. Carter Page might join that number at some point. He isn't helping himself.

Eliza Orlins
@eorlins
In response to @chrislhayes asking Carter Page if he has a lawyer: “I have informal advisors and a formal advisor.” Oh. My. God.

PainInTheEerie · 31/10/2017 05:41

John Kelly on Fox

Aaron Blake‏*@AaronBlake*
John Kelly says he stands by his comments about what Frederica Wilson said

INGRAHAM: LaDavid Johnson’s widow had given an interview on television after your remarks and said that what Frederica Wilson said was actually right. She basically corroborated what the congresswoman recounted about the conversation. So that was her reaction. There’s also comments that Frederica Wilson, in her speech, did not brag about getting funding, as you indicated in your remarks. I actually watched Frederica Wilson’s speech and she certainly used the word “I” a lot in talking about how — and I think we actually have a clip of it.

WILSON SOT
KELLY: Well, I’ll go back and talk about before her comments and at the reception afterwards. Again, it was a package deal. Don’t want to get into it. As far as the young widow goes — she has every right to say what she wants to say. But it’s the politicization of something that was so from the heart.

INGRAHAM: But do you feel like you have something to apologize?

KELLY: Do I?

INGRAHAM: Yeah.

KELLY: Oh, no. No. Never. Well, I’ll apologize if I need to. But for something like that, absolutely not. I stand by my comments.

Daniel Dale‏*@ddale8*

More Daniel Dale Retweeted Aaron Blake
Caught in a lie about Rep. Wilson's speech, John Kelly now says Wilson made her bad remarks before and after her speech.

Even more scarily

Christina Wilkie@christinawilkie
John Kelly: "The lack of ability to compromise caused the Civil War.”

John Kelly on the Civil War: “Men and women of good faith on both sides made their stand where their conscience had them make their stand.”

Aaron Rupar‏*@atrupar*
Chief of Staff John Kelly praises Robert E Lee as "honorable man," says "lack of an ability to compromise led to the civil war," not slavery

Also

Jim Sciutto‏*@jimsciutto*
"It is very distracting for the president to be investigated for something" - Chief of Staff Kelly on #Mueller investigation on Fox

Matt McDermott‏*@mattmfm*
Appears the White House Chief of Staff just confirmed what the White House has denied for months: Donald Trump is under investigation.

PainInTheEerie · 31/10/2017 05:51

Ukraine says it warned Facebook of Russia fake news in 2015

www.ft.com/content/c63d76d4-bd1e-11e7-b8a3-38a6e068f464

The Ukrainian government says it warned Facebook and US officials years ago that Russia was conducting disinformation campaigns including account takedowns and fake news.

Dmytro Shymkiv, deputy head of Ukraine’s presidential administration, told the FT that it warned Facebook and US officials about “aggressive behaviour” from Russia spreading disinformation on social media in an “information propaganda war” in 2015.

A report by Oxford Internet Institute describes Ukraine as one of the first countries to face a “serious disinformation crisis” and on the “frontline” of “‘numerous disinformation campaigns”.

The Ukrainian president wrote to Facebook to ask them to open an office in this country so the content moderation could be done by Ukrainians, as he worried Russians were making the final decision on what posts and accounts to take down.

But Facebook refused, explaining it did not have an office in Russia and was taking down accounts because of hate speech, including using racial slurs against Russians.

In a meeting with Gabriella Cseh, Facebook’s head of public policy for central and eastern Europe, and Thomas Myrup, head of the Brussels office, Mr Shymkiv said the Ukrainian government expressed concern about the spread of made-up stories, which later became known as fake news.

“We shared with them some of our concerns that the problem of fake news spreading and the influence of behaviour is very worrying,” he said.

“I think Facebook was warned about what might happen with respect to the situation that unfolded in the US,” he said. “Their response was: ‘We are an open platform, we allow everybody the possibility to communicate’. That’s all I got.”

Facebook said it did not discuss fake news with Ukraine. Richard Allan, VP of Public Policy for Europe, Middle East, and Africa, said he personally oversaw the team who travelled to Kiev twice to meet with the Ukrainian government. Mr Shymkiv said they met once.

“The conversations they had in 2014 and 2015 were about our handling of reports by Russians to get Ukrainian content taken down from our platform, not about fake news or attempts to spread messages,” he said.

“The content reporting behaviour we observed at the time bore no resemblance to information operations we observed in connection with the 2016 US election. The Ukrainian government has more recently raised the issue of fake news with us but this was only in 2017 after the US election,” he added.

Facebook also met with media to talk about the issue.

Executives from Facebook, Twitter and Google will this week face questions in Congress on Russia’s online influence campaign.

Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook founder and chief executive, was forced to address Ukrainian account takedowns in an online town hall he held in May 2015. The top 20 questions were all from Ukrainians, the top question got 45,000 likes. Many complained their accounts were being flagged as committing hate speech, just to take them offline.

“There’s been a bunch of content that has been posted that violates the rules we have around hate speech . . . some of these posts included ethnic slurs against Russian posts,” he said. “I looked into it personally and I standby that we did the right thing according to our policies.”

Ruslan Deynychenko, one of the co-founders of StopFake.org, a non-governmental organisation set up in Ukraine in early 2014 to debunk Russian fake news, said Ukrainians had warned the west that this is a “very potent weapon”.

PainInTheEerie · 31/10/2017 05:56

Carole Cadwalladr‏
@carolecadwalla

Here's George Papadopoulos. In London. Five days ago. Wearing a wire.
So..any idea who he met??Carole Cadwalladr added,

twitter.com/GeorgePapa19/status/923078894634270720

Carole Cadwalladr‏ @carolecadwalla

Papadopolous came on FBI-sanctioned trip to London 5 days ago. Tweeted one photo captioned #business. FBI is sending a message. But to who??

PainInTheEerie · 31/10/2017 05:58

Speculation but it is interesting to note

twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/925150832332505089

PainInTheEerie · 31/10/2017 06:10

Grifters gotta keep on grifting

ERIC TRUMP IS USING MANAFORT'S INDICTMENT TO RAISE CASH FROM 'LOYAL' REPUBLICANS

www.newsweek.com/eric-trump-using-manaforts-indictment-raise-cash-loyal-republicans-696265

Only an hour after former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort was indicted on conspiracy against the U.S., money laundering and other charges on Monday morning, President Donald Trump’s son sent out a campaign fundraising email asking for contributions. The mass email from Eric Trump makes no reference to charges against Manafort and his former business associate Richard Gates, but the subject line reads “Still standing,” and the timing speaks volumes.

“Friend, There’s new opposition against my father and this Administration every day. The mainstream media continues to play politics, creating division and turning the American people against one another,” the email starts off, then states in italics, “But as a loyal supporter of our movement, I know you know the truth.”

Eric Trump’s email appeals to Trump’s support base, the group of Americans most likely to overlook or dismiss Russia probe special counsel Robert Mueller’s serious charges on Manafort, who along with Gates surrendered to the FBI on Monday morning. “My father has spoken out time and time again against those who have tried to bring this country down, and will always do so to protect hardworking Americans whose values have been forgotten by Washington,” Eric Trump’s email states.

Then he gets to the point: “To stand with us, please consider making a crucial end-of-month contribution before the deadline tomorrow,” and has two red boxes which email recipients can click on to “Contribute $1.”

Clicking the boxes links to a campaign webpage that doesn’t have a $1 option, but rather $35, $50, $100, $250, $500, $1,000, $2,700 and $5, in that order. Selecting $5 changes the option to “other,” which then allows $1, but no amount less than that. There’s also a box to check to make it a recurring monthly donation.

The website states that despite “liberal obstructionists” in the Senate, the Trump administration “has accomplished more in just NINE months than most presidents do in four years”—a statement far from the truth.

“Thanks to your constant support, we have the momentum to combat their vicious attacks, and we’re working day and night to deliver on each and every promise made last November,” the site also states.

PainInTheEerie · 31/10/2017 06:15

Surprise surprise

Jumping Bean‏
@burpeesRfun
Wow. @DevinNunes just threatened the @FBI & said about Mueller , “if this continues to drag on” we’re going to have a problem. #resist

(((DuneMyThang™)))‏ @Kris_Sacrebleu

Yup. Nunes impugned, accused AND threatened the @FBI

PainInTheEerie · 31/10/2017 06:20

Natasha Bertrand‏*@NatashaBertrand*
Trying this again since pt created confusion: >36k RU Twitter accounts generated 1.4M tweets btw Sept-Nov 2016

Twitter will tell Congress that Russia's election meddling was worse than we first thought

uk.businessinsider.com/twitter-russia-facebook-election-accounts-2017-10?r=US&IR=T

PainInTheEerie · 31/10/2017 06:25

Paul Manafort charges don’t ensure justice – but it’s a start

www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/paul-manafort-charges-dont-ensure-justice-but-its-a-start/article36771196/?service=amp

The indictment of Mr. Manafort – which focuses on his work with lobbyist Richard Gates (also indicted) to boost Kremlin lackeys in Ukraine and their alleged money-laundering – does not indicate that justice will be served, but that justice remains possible, at least for now. The wheels of justice may finally be turning, but they grind slowly like the initial trek up a roller coaster, and Americans should expect a stomach-turning plunge as the Trump administration retaliates and whiplash as the investigation proceeds.

Lweji · 31/10/2017 06:44

Kelly not only refuses to apologise as he's digging himself into a deeper white supremacist hole.

White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly on Monday called Robert E. Lee was “an honorable man” and said that “the lack of an ability to compromise” led to the Civil War

www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/10/31/john-kelly-calls-robert-e-lee-an-honorable-man-and-says-lack-of-compromise-caused-the-civil-war/

PainInTheEerie · 31/10/2017 06:44

www.thedailybeast.com/steve-bannon-thinks-trumps-legal-team-is-asleep-at-the-wheeland-hes-looking-for-ways-to-kneecap-mueller?via=twitter_page

Steve Bannon Tells Trump To Bring In New Lawyers as He Looks For Ways to Kneecap Mueller

Trump’s former top dog increasingly feels like he has to take matters into his own hands.

“In terms of Steve’s thinking of how the president is handling this, yeah, he thinks the legal team was not prepared for what happened today—they’re not serving the president well,” a source close to Bannon said.

Added another confidant: Bannon believes Ty Cobb and John Dowd, the top two attorneys on the president’s legal team, “are asleep at the wheel.”

Bannon talked to Trump after those indictments were issued on Monday to express these concerns directly. Two sources, one working inside and one outside the White House, with knowledge of the conversation told The Daily Beast that Bannon advised Trump not to demote Dowd and Cobb, but to bring in new lawyers to work over them, in the hopes that fresh blood would bring an order and "ruthlessness" to Trump's legal team that Bannon sees as desperately incompetent.

[...]Trump was receptive to Bannon’s plea and expressed dismay and frustration at the state of his legal team and the ongoing Russia probes. However, it was not clear if the president was committing to any sweeping changes to his team of lawyers at this time.

As the president decides what next to do, Bannon is looking to take matters into his own hand—all in an attempt, he believes, to spare Trump from having to fire the man investigating his campaign and family’s finances.

Multiple sources close to Bannon told The Daily Beast on Monday that he is “advocating a much more aggressive legal approach short of firing Mueller,” as one source put it, and has been mulling options that would effectively curtail the special counsel’s investigation into 2016 Russian election-meddling and alleged Trump campaign connections to it.

He’s being tight-lipped about the strategy so far—and it is unclear how robust an effort he’ll actually try to mount—but options are available to him.

One potential avenue is legislation crafted by Rep. Ron DeSantis, a Florida Republican and member of the House Freedom Caucus, an influential bloc of conservative lawmakers. DeSantis offered an amendment to a House spending package in August that would have barred Mueller from pursuing criminal charges for any conduct occurring before March 2015. That would have severely complicated Mueller’s indictments of Paul Manafort and Rick Gates, which rely in large part on alleged criminal conduct prior to the 2016 presidential campaign, when the two lobbied on behalf of a pro-Russia political party in Ukraine.

DeSantis’s amendment would also have given Mueller six months to wrap up his investigation before the special counsel’s office was completely defunded.

PainInTheEerie · 31/10/2017 06:47

Kyle Griffin‏*@kylegriffin1*

WaPo: Trump woke before dawn, clicked on the TV and fumed "with rising irritation" over today's media coverage.

t.co/Y03HJuChfa

"The walls are closing in," said one senior Republican in close contact with top staffers. "Everyone is freaking out."

PainInTheEerie · 31/10/2017 07:08

Renato Mariotti
@renato_mariotti
1/ While I was on @CNNTonight just now, @DanaBashCNN reported that Bannon is telling Trump to get Congress to cut Mueller’s funding.

2/ She also said Bannon told Trump to deny documents to Mueller and challenge the charges as beyond his mandate.

3/ If Trump does this, it will be powerful evidence that he wants to obstruct justice and views himself as above the law.

4/ As an American, I’m deeply disturbed that this is even being discussed. Anyone involved has no respect for the Constitution

5/ If they try to do this, every patriotic American should stand together against it. /end

Swipe left for the next trending thread