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Manafort Destiny? Trump continued

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PerkingFaintly · 30/10/2017 13:07

Where will the charges against Manafort lead? Whose shredders are overheating today? And most importantly, when will the Tweetstorm-from-the-loo start?

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lionheart · 30/10/2017 13:45

'These guys were bad guys when they started and they were bad guys when they left.' (WH attempt at distancing).

lionheart · 30/10/2017 13:46

'has nothing to do with Russia ...' (another WH source).

RedToothBrush · 30/10/2017 13:46

amp.businessinsider.com/paul-manafort-daughter-text-messages-ukraine-2017-3
Hacked text messages allegedly sent by Paul Manafort's daughter discuss 'blood money' and killings, and a Ukrainian lawyer wants him to explain

AcrossthePond55 · 30/10/2017 13:47

Thanks for the new thread. Love the title Wink!

12 count indictment with multiple charges in some of the counts. Money laundering, tax evasion, acting as a foreign agent, concealing income and assets, and lying about it all. Not to forget my favorite.......Conspiracy against the United States.

Still, the question remains, is this the beginning or the end?

lionheart · 30/10/2017 13:48

What a treat, Sanders to speak later today.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 30/10/2017 13:48

Book 'em Danno

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Lweji · 30/10/2017 13:49

I hope that's the butterfly that leads to the hurricane. However, I'm sceptical. Sad

Gumpendorf · 30/10/2017 13:49

'...at least 2016' Red

Twitter is also pointing out the indictments talk about 'together with others' and suggests this isn't the full deal for Manafort. They may be follow up indictments.
That may also persuade him to talk...

cozietoesie · 30/10/2017 13:49

Ah Yes. The ‘Manafort - Who he?’ defence.

Gumpendorf · 30/10/2017 13:50

Ooops. Should have refreshed and changed page... Grin

lionheart · 30/10/2017 13:50

That's a lot of rug.

Josh Rogin‏Verified account
@joshrogin

Manafort spent $934,350 at an antique rug store in Alexandria, per indictment.

AcrossthePond55 · 30/10/2017 13:50

Im hoping this isn't just a butterfly. I'm hoping it's MOTHRA!!

PainInTheEerie · 30/10/2017 13:50

Kyle Griffin‏Verified account @kylegriffin1
Seems like a good idea to keep this handy.

Sean Hannity‏Verified account
@seanhannity

.@newtgingrich: "Nobody should underestimate how much Paul Manafort did to really help get this [Trump] campaign to where it is right now."

RedToothBrush · 30/10/2017 13:50

Manafort? He's Nigel Farage's mate isn't he Wink

OhYouBadBadKitten · 30/10/2017 13:53

why on earth are the white house naking any sort of noises about this? They have no common sense - any sensible organisation would make a statement saying that they don’t wish to prejudice the case and therefore cannot say anything.

That’s one damn expensive rug!

PainInTheEerie · 30/10/2017 13:54

Just had a look at what fox news is tweeting

Fox News‏Verified account @FoxNews 4m4 minutes ago
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TUNE IN: White House Chief of Staff John Kelly joins Laura Ingraham tonight at 10p ET on the premiere of "The @IngrahamAngle."

Fox News‏Verified account @FoxNews 8m8 minutes ago
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.@Judgenap: "This is the first of many dominoes to fall." fxn.ws/2yZThgD

Fox News‏Verified account @FoxNews 13m13 minutes ago
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.@Judgenap: "The government has amassed a very sophisticated case against [Manafort]. The case shows that he... engaged in massive fraud."

Fox News‏Verified account @FoxNews 17m17 minutes ago
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Google CEO to fix burger emoji after heated debate cooks up on Twitter

Fox News‏Verified account @FoxNews 30m30 minutes ago
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OPINION: @EWErickson: It's Paul Manafort's indictment, not Trump's

Fox News‏Verified account @FoxNews 30m30 minutes ago
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Trump tweets on reports that Obama campaign paid law firm that hired Fusion GPS - via @brookefoxnews

Fox News‏Verified account @FoxNews 32m32 minutes ago
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Mary Anne Marsh: "While this is the first indictment, it won't be the last indictment." fxn.ws/2zPIEfF

Fox News‏Verified account @FoxNews 33m33 minutes ago
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Paul Manafort, Rick Gates indicted by federal grand jury in Russia probe - via @brookefoxnews

PainInTheEerie · 30/10/2017 13:56
Hmm

Trump to lunch with Sessions amid Manafort charges

thehill.com/homenews/administration/357783-trump-to-lunch-with-sessions-amid-manafort-charges

President Trump on Monday is scheduled to have lunch with Attorney General Jeff Sessions, just hours after Trump's former campaign chairman was indicted by special counsel Robert Mueller.

Sessions was invited to join Trump's weekly lunch with Vice President Pence, which is closed to press coverage.

It's likely Trump will raise the indictment of former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort, which represents a significant escalation of the special counsel probe that has loomed over his presidency for months.

The president in the past has criticized Sessions for his handling of the Russia investigation, blaming his decision to recuse himself for Mueller's appointment.

AcrossthePond55 · 30/10/2017 14:01

This 'lunch' is inappropriate for so, so many reasons!

Trump will coerce Sessions to fire Mueller and/or subvert the prosecution of the crimes in the indictment. There will be threats, bullying, blackmail, and offers of 'quid pro quo'. Will Sessions cave? Depends on who knows what about whom.

PainInTheEerie · 30/10/2017 14:06

It's even more erosion between the separation of legislative and executive branches.

Who else might be shitting themselves this morning?

Sarah Kendzior‏Verified account @sarahkendzior
Hope a journalist asks Pence what he thinks of the new developments -- after all, Manafort was the one who chose him for VP

Also

Philip Rucker‏Verified account @PhilipRucker

Among the biggest internal advocates for Paul Manafort taking over the Trump campaign: Don Jr., Ivanka, Jared Kushner and Tom Barrack.

How will they gain distance from this?

PainInTheEerie · 30/10/2017 14:18

Uh oh

ABC News Politics‏Verified account @ABCPolitics

BREAKING: Former Trump campaign advisor George Papadopolous has pleaded guilty to making false statements to FBI agents.

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PerkingFaintly · 30/10/2017 14:20

Extracts from a timeline produced by the WaPo last month:

Timeline: Paul Manafort’s long history with oligarch Oleg Deripaska
www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/03/22/timeline-paul-manaforts-long-murky-history-of-political-interventions/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.60adbbf12ebc

1976. Manafort helps guide Republican presidential nominee Gerald R. Ford’s efforts at the Republican National Convention.

1980. After helping shepherd Ronald Reagan’s presidential campaign at the Republican convention, Manafort is a founder of the lobbying and strategy firm Black, Manafort, Stone & Kelly in Washington. The “Stone” in that title was for Roger Stone, a longtime Trump confidante.

1984. Manafort helps plan the convention for Reagan’s reelection bid.
...
1988. Manafort manages the convention for Republican presidential nominee George H.W. Bush.

January 1991. Public relations firm Burson-Marsteller acquires Black, Manafort, Stone & Kelly.

1995. Manafort and partner Rick Davis found a new lobbying firm, Davis Manafort.

1996. Manafort manages Republican Robert J. Dole’s unsuccessful presidential campaign.

Late 2004. Ukraine holds a series of elections in which fraud is rampant. Viktor Yanukovych of the Party of Regions, who came in second in the first round, wins a runoff in November. Outcry at alleged fraud leads the European Union to reject the runoff results; Ukrainians take to the streets in protest in what comes to be known as the Orange Revolution. On a third ballot, Yanukovych again loses.

June 2005. According to the Associated Press, Manafort develops a strategic plan aimed at promoting the interests of the Russian government and President Vladimir Putin.

We are now of the belief that this model can greatly benefit the Putin Government if employed at the correct levels with the appropriate commitment to success,” Manafort wrote in the document.

2006. Manafort signs a $10 million-a-year agreement with the Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska apparently based on that plan. The work is not conducted through Davis Manafort but through a separate corporation called LOAV Ltd. Deripaska is identified in a 2006 diplomatic cable released by WikiLeaks as being “among the 2-3 oligarchs Putin turns to on a regular basis.”

The relationship with Deripaska also connects Manafort to Yanukovych. At some point before parliamentary elections in March 2006, the Party of Regions officially hires Davis Manafort to help reshape the party’s image. The party gains a number of seats in the election, and Yanukovych becomes prime minister in August after extensive political wrangling.

January 2006. Davis arranges a meeting between Deripaska and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.). The two would meet again in August.

July 2006. Deripaska’s American visa is revoked.

2007. A secret ledger kept by the Party of Regions indicates that Manafort began receiving under-the-table payments at this point — nearly two dozen of them totaling nearly $13 million. Manafort denies the allegation.

December 2007. Yanukovych is ousted as prime minister after parliamentary elections. Yulia Tymoshenko takes the position, becoming the first woman to do so.

2008. After the presidential election — Davis served as McCain’s campaign manager, creating some bad press for the candidate because of his business relationships — Davis Manafort is disbanded.

2009. Manafort’s business relationship with Deripaska continued until at least this point. It’s not clear when it ended again, according to the AP.

February 2010. Yanukovych wins the presidency with Manafort’s help. Beforehand, Manafort warns that he’s concerned about voter fraud working against his client, echoing concerns raised by his next prominent client.

2012. The last secret payment to Manafort is listed in the ledger.

Feb. 21, 2014. After prolonged protests beginning in November the year before, Yanukovych flees to Russia. The next day, he’s officially removed from his post. This triggers Russia’s incursion into Ukraine and the annexation of Crimea.

September 2014. Manafort flies to Ukraine to try to help Yanukovych’s former party once again gain power. The party is rebranded as the Oppo Bloc, at Manafort’s suggestion.

March 28, 2016. Manafort is hired by Trump to guide the campaign’s delegate-wrangling effort in the lead-up to the Republican convention. He’s recommended for the position by Roger Stone.

At some point, intelligence agencies allegedly surveil a call or calls between Manafort and Russian government actors. Manafort later told the New York Times that he had “never knowingly spoken to Russian intelligence officers.”

Spring 2016. According to the Times, the FBI begins investigating Manafort’s business relationships and ties to foreign powers, including Russia.

In this time period, the Democratic National Committee’s email system is hacked by people who U.S. authorities believe are linked to the Russian government.

April. Manafort emails Hope Hicks, a senior campaign staffer, telling her to ignore questions sent by The Post about his relationship with Deripaska.

May. Manafort meets with Konstantin Kilimnik, a longtime business associate of his. Kilimnik is veteran of the Soviet army who often acted as a liaison between Manafort and Deripaska.

June 9. At the invitation of Donald Trump Jr., Manafort joins Jared Kushner, Trump Jr. and a Russian attorney tied to the Kremlin for a meeting at Trump Tower. Read a timeline of that interaction.

June 21. After months of tension between himself and campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, Lewandowski is fired. Manafort becomes campaign chairman.

July 7. Manafort emails Kilimnik to extend an offer to Deripaska: If the oligarch wanted private briefings on the state of the Trump campaign, that could be arranged. There’s no indication that a briefing was ever conducted.

Week of July 11. At the national security platform meeting establishing the Republican Party positions on the subject, representatives of the Trump campaign intervene to remove a call for arming the Ukrainian military to battle Russian and rebel fighters in the eastern part of the country.

July 18. The convention begins. Trump is nominated on the 21st.

July 22. The emails hacked from the Democratic National Committee are released by WikiLeaks.

July 29. Kilimnik emails Manafort to tell him that he’d met with the person “who gave you the biggest black caviar jar several years ago” — apparently a reference to Deripaska. They arrange a meeting in August.

Aug. 14. The secret ledger comes to light.

Aug. 17. Reports emerge that Manafort also helped the Party of Regions secretly route $2.2 million in unreported lobbying spending to D.C. in 2012.

Aug. 19. Manafort quits the Trump campaign, at the request of the candidate. Among the reasons he was asked to resign were Trump’s dissatisfaction with his tactical advice, and news articles raising questions about his ties to Russia and Ukraine.

Nov. 8. Trump is elected president.

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AgnesSkinner · 30/10/2017 14:21

newrepublic.com/minutes/145559/paul-manafort-first-domino-fall-robert-muellers-russia-probe

The president’s allies are likely to act like this is a big nothingburger, and to dismiss Manafort as someone who was only briefly within Trump’s inner circle. That defense largely misses the point, however, which is that someone like Manafort was ever close to a major presidential candidate to begin with.

AcrossthePond55 · 30/10/2017 14:22

He pled on 5 October. It was just unsealed today. Coincidence?

Wonder if the Papadopolous investigation contained info they wanted kept under wraps until the Manafort/Gates indictment.

PainInTheEerie · 30/10/2017 14:24

Cooperating witness maybe?

AcrossthePond55 · 30/10/2017 14:25

I'd thought that too. Or some sort of 'common thread' between the two men or investigation.

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