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Manafort Destiny? Trump continued

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PerkingFaintly · 30/10/2017 13:07

Where will the charges against Manafort lead? Whose shredders are overheating today? And most importantly, when will the Tweetstorm-from-the-loo start?

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Fekko · 31/10/2017 07:10

I've said it once and I'll say it again - I just can't keep up!!

lionheart · 31/10/2017 07:38

Ouais a play on manifest destiny (I think).

That Bannon poison.

Renato Mariotti‏Verified account

1/ While I was on @CNNTonight just now, @DanaBashCNN reported that Bannon is telling Trump to get Congress to cut Mueller’s funding.
7:36 pm - 30 Oct 2017

2/ She also said Bannon told Trump to deny documents to Mueller and challenge the charges as beyond his mandate.

3/ If Trump does this, it will be powerful evidence that he wants to obstruct justice and views himself as above the law.

4/ As an American, I’m deeply disturbed that this is even being discussed. Anyone involved has no respect for the Constitution.

5/ If they try to do this, every patriotic American should stand together against it. /end

OuaisMaisBon · 31/10/2017 07:53

Thanks, lion, that's the first time I've ever heard that phrase - the only US history I ever studied was in relation to the Boston Tea Party, and my 'A' level History course ended just after the Crusades! (I don't mean I'm as old as the Crusades, although..)
Dan Rather is very good, as usual - apparently, this is going viral:
"We are a nation of laws. President Donald Trump and all those around him who have not yet been named in an indictment have the presumption of innocence. As do those who have been arrested and not plead guilty. But what has unfolded today is the working of a very meticulous and seasoned prosecutor who is sending an unambiguous message. This is real. And a lot more is out there. The shockwaves coursing through Washington and the world are only beginning.

Make no mistake, Bob Mueller almost assuredly knows a lot more than he has let on. He also knows how to unfold a prosecution, to turn up the heat, send shots across bows, and build a case up the ladder. The fact that he started with such big names is telling. The hints at other knowledge, and other people, in the indictment is a serious clue that many more shoes are likely to drop. The plea deal that was off the radar suggests there are names and actions that the public has yet to give scrutiny, but the Mueller team has been hard at work ferreting out. And the president reportedly fumes about a narrative he cannot control.

In Watergate, there was a growing sense of pressure. But the crime itself was rather contained. Here the crimes are allegedly widespread and strike at the very heart of our democratic institutions. There is a strong suggestion that there were active agents for the Russian government working inside the highest echelons of the Trump campaign. Let that sink in for a moment.

One thing to keep in mind is that the best prosecutors, a distinction with which Mueller is often credited, have a sense of timing and drama. But it is not only for public consumption. It is to uncover the deepest crimes committed and to bring those who perpetrated those crimes to justice.

Will Manafort flip? Will others? Who else does he have goods on? Are there other witnesses or people of interest cooperating? Somewhere in the bowels of Mueller's offices, his team are putting these pieces together.

This is likely but the first act of a play unlike any seen before in our nation's history."

OhYouBadBadKitten · 31/10/2017 07:59

Time have a short summary of the rise and fall of Papadopoulos for those who would like a quick précis.
time.com/5002832/george-papadopoulos-guilty-plea-indictment/

Minimammoth · 31/10/2017 08:04

Thank you for keeping us so up to date with views and commentary. This thread is more useful than the news.

lionheart · 31/10/2017 08:06

The GOP seems to have only one response.

www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/opinion/mueller-trump-supporters.html?smid=tw-nytopinion&smtyp=cur&_r=0

badbadhusky · 31/10/2017 08:11

The GOP seems to have only one response.

“But Hillary!”?

TheNorthWestPawsage · 31/10/2017 08:14

Bannon needs to take a long walk on a short pier...

Can we set up a Go Fund Me account for Mueller and his team to use in case they pull the plug on him?

PainInTheEerie · 31/10/2017 08:18

The base will continue to believe what it does

Erin Brr, sir
@erinscafe
I’m starting to sense a pattern here.

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PainInTheEerie · 31/10/2017 08:18

And one more that wouldn’t fit

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 31/10/2017 08:27

They won’t give up football. That’s like me when I said I’m going to give up all my nectar points Blush

PerkingFaintly · 31/10/2017 08:31

Yy, Manifest Destiny.

I'd never heard of it either until an American explained it to me on a long train journey.Smile

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badbadhusky · 31/10/2017 08:41

I recognised the phrase but didn’t know the history. This thread is an education. Star Star Star for Perking’s thread header.

PerkingFaintly · 31/10/2017 08:47

Grin And a Happy Arrestivus to you too, Lweji!

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badbadhusky · 31/10/2017 08:53

Do we celebrate Arrestivus with Comey cake and Muellered Wine? In my mind’s eye, Comey cake is very tall and upstanding - something like this.

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Natsku · 31/10/2017 08:54

Quite a pattern there Pain!

Oh I am enjoying this, going to see how the Trump-lovers are deflecting and squirming on the US-centric forum I visit.

Dunlurking · 31/10/2017 09:06

Oh I do love Rachel Maddow. She's always said "Follow the money" and she's still saying it! In last night's show she pointed to a black hole in the Manafort indictment details - $18 million out of $75 million is accounted for in great detail - but (presumably strategically) nothing is said about the rest and where it may have gone.... I love it! Watch the clip entitled 'Mueller follows the money to charge Trump campaign staffers' from 5 minutes in www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show.

lionheart · 31/10/2017 09:08

Muellered wine sounds good.

Your cake is for the adults, bad.

The children can feast on this.

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Lweji · 31/10/2017 09:19

Erin Brr, sir
@erinscafe
I’m starting to sense a pattern here

Yes, 34%.
My scientist spider sense screams fake data.

PainInTheEerie · 31/10/2017 10:03

Fake data in what sense? That they've cherry picked reports that coincidentally show 34% or that the figure of 34% reached in each of the headlines is inaccurate?

Despite doing a science Masters, I have forgotten any conceivable knowledge that might be useful but these polls don't seem too suspect to me (I am probably missing something glaringly obvious though - my tutor would be so disappointed Blush)

-34% believe in evolution

www.pewforum.org/2015/11/03/chapter-4-social-and-political-attitudes/

-34% dictator

From the 2011 World Values Survey

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/19/welcome-to-the-age-of-trump

-34% less likely to watch nfl

www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/sports/september_2017/34_are_less_likely_to_follow_nfl_because_of_protests

The first amendment rights one is from a survey conducted by the Newseum Institute who bill themselves as "Champions of the First Amendment" so that probably is questionable.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 31/10/2017 10:10

I sort of wish that others who were on the thread just before Trump was elected would make a cameo appearance. I’d be interested to see their response at the moment.

OuaisMaisBon · 31/10/2017 10:14

OhYouBadBadKitten - "But Hillary! But emails! But Hillary's emails!"

There you go!

RedToothBrush · 31/10/2017 10:16

Oybbk how many were paid russian trolls? Not all im sure but id be more surprised if lots weren't.

PainInTheEerie · 31/10/2017 10:17

I reckon it would be "uranium! podesta! witch hunt!"

The same lack of logic needed to support him then still prevails now, surely? Why would they be convinced by pesky facts when they weren't before?