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Manafort Destiny? Trump continued

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PerkingFaintly · 30/10/2017 13:07

Where will the charges against Manafort lead? Whose shredders are overheating today? And most importantly, when will the Tweetstorm-from-the-loo start?

Previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3061258-FMOTUS-F-ing-Moron-of-the-United-States-Trump-thread-continued?pg=1

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AcrossthePond55 · 05/11/2017 18:20

The right-wing sites are clearly rattled though.

Because they're seeing a Democrat with mega-money who isn't afraid to spend it shining a light on the dirty workings of the GOP and the Scrotus regime.

Mega-rich people are only supposed to be capitalist Republicans, don't you know. With those good old American values that Scrotus has in abundance......greed and dishonesty. No one who espouses equality, fair dealing, and environmentalism (i.e. 'socialism') should have been able to earn any money believing that way! It's just not possible!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/11/2017 18:22

Paradise Papers leak reveals secrets of world elite's hidden wealth

amp.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/05/paradise-papers-leak-reveals-secrets-of-world-elites-hidden-wealth

Extensive offshore dealings by Donald Trump’s cabinet members, advisers and donors, including substantial payments from a firm co-owned by Vladimir Putin’s son-in-law to the shipping group of the US commerce secretary, Wilbur Ross.
How Twitter and Facebook received hundreds of millions of dollars in investments that can be traced back to Russian state financial institutions.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/11/2017 18:28

Paradise Papers
Russia funded Facebook and Twitter investments through Kushner associate

Institutions with close links to Kremlin financed stakes through business associate of Trump’s son-in-law, leaked files reveal

www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/05/russia-funded-facebook-twitter-investments-kushner-associate?CMP=share_btn_tw

PerkingFaintly · 05/11/2017 18:41

Ha! Wilbur Ross was mentioned by Rachel Maddow months ago as being strongly financially connected to Russians close to Putin.

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AcrossthePond55 · 05/11/2017 18:47

If these Paradise Papers are all they're being portrayed as, I have a feeling there are going to be any number of uber-wealthy with egg on their faces from both sides of the political spectrum.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/11/2017 19:01

He served on the board of a Cypriot bank didn’t he?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/11/2017 19:15

Flynn jr retweeted this. Seems a sensible strategy

Amy Mek
@AmyMek
As FBI Directior, Mueller worked with HAMAS to purge FBI training material offensive to Muslims

Meanwhile, Flynn was trying to protect USA!

mobile.twitter.com/AmyMek/status/927213981051359233/video/1

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/11/2017 19:21

Oh no

NBC Nightly News
@NBCNightlyNews
BREAKING: Many people reportedly shot at a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas.

lionheart · 05/11/2017 19:34

'Islam ... hides behind this notion of it being a religion.' Hmm

lionheart · 05/11/2017 19:48
Grin

Rex Huppke‏Verified account @RexHuppke 50m50 minutes ago

Honestly, there are actual Russians with fewer Russian connections than this administration.

lionheart · 05/11/2017 19:54

The casualty reports look bad. Sad

Lweji · 05/11/2017 20:09

Wait.......

Paradise Papers
Russia funded Facebook and Twitter investments through Kushner associate

www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/05/russia-funded-facebook-twitter-investments-kushner-associate?CMP=twt_gu

Lweji · 05/11/2017 20:10

Ups, sorry, missed the previous link.

PerkingFaintly · 05/11/2017 20:19

Report now is 27 confirmed dead. Horrible.

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 05/11/2017 20:42

and yet on twitter people are saying this proves that they need to be able to carry guns in church.

RedToothBrush · 05/11/2017 20:50

Eight rich and influential Saudis including one prince killed in 'plane crash'

One of Saudis arrested major twitter shareholder. Has had bank frozen. I believe significant Clinton donor amongst them too (could be same chap).

Keep your eyes on this. Massively under reported. Hugely significant thought.

Follow the money.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 05/11/2017 20:51

how on earth can we keep our eyes on all of this? it’s bonkers.

Natsku · 05/11/2017 21:07

Bloody hell, another shooting. And no description of the shooter, wonder what that means.

PerkingFaintly · 05/11/2017 21:39

Shock Any link or more details for the Saudi "plane crash", Red?

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/11/2017 21:54

bnonews.com/news/index.php/mobile/id6702

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/11/2017 21:55

Peter Jukes
@peterjukes
Why the news about likely Flynn indictments leads back to the UK - and the ever present role of Bannon/Mercer SCL and Cambridge Analytica

mobile.twitter.com/peterjukes/status/927290973570318336

PerkingFaintly · 05/11/2017 22:20

Thanks Pain.

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lionheart · 05/11/2017 22:49

Renato Mariotti‏Verified account @renato_mariotti 2h

1/ Today @NBCNews reported Mueller has enough evidence to charge former National Security Advisor Flynn and his son.

2/ The article reports that Mueller is putting increased pressure on Flynn after his indictment of Manafort.

3/ This suggests to me that Mueller's team contacted Flynn about cooperating, and that Flynn's team is the source of this story.

4/ It is commonplace for federal prosecutors to contact defense counsel before they bring indictments in white collar cases.

5/ The obvious leverage that Mueller has over Flynn is that he could indict Flynn's son. Flynn could cooperate on his son's behalf.

6/ That's called "vicarious cooperation."

7/ Typically I'd expect Mueller to have a reasonable chance at convincing Flynn to cooperate on his son's behalf.

8/ The article indicates Mueller is looking at whether Flynn received millions of dollars in exchange for helping the Turkish government.

9/ If that is charged and proved, it would likely result in a substantial prison sentence for Flynn above and beyond what his son faces.

10/ But in this case, we should expect that Trump will pardon Flynn. If Comey was truthful, Trump asked him to stop investigating Flynn.

11/ Flynn's son has been on a twitter tirade against Mueller today. For instance, he retweeted this:Renato Mariotti added,

12/ If you check out @mflynnJR you'll see many recent tweets attacking Mueller. It's common for defendants to attack the prosecutor.

13/ It's fairly unusual for them to do that before there are charges. It suggests that Flynn Jr. knows he'll be charged and refuses to flip.

14/ That tells me that Flynn and his son expect a pardon. Publicly attacking the prosecutor is a foolish move otherwise.

15/ For one thing, prosecutors recommend sentences to the judge. At times, the defense also wants the government to work with them.

16/ An aggressive defense can be a very good thing, but needlessly attacking the prosecutor's integrity or character is rarely helpful.

17/ So it appears that Flynn and his son expect a pardon and are not worried about state charges, which Trump can't pardon. /end

RedToothBrush · 05/11/2017 22:59

Follow the money.

Sarah L Smith‏*******@SLSmith000*
1/ Money laundering petrodollars through the US has just become much easier. Two days days before the Saudi Purge, Trump pulled out
2/ of the Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative (EITI), which was codified into US law by fmr GOP Sen Richard Lugar. The US will no
3/ longer participate in a global initiative that requires member nations to disclose their revenues from oil, gas and mining assets.
4/ Under the agreement, the US was required to reveal all the revenue it received from oil, gas and mining companies, and required those
5/ companies to publicly disclose the payments they make to the US and other governments.
thehill.com/policy/international/358560-us-backs-out-of-global-oil-anti-corruption-effort
5/ This is not the first time Trump has made money laundering of petrodollars easier since he took office. One of the first things
6/ Trump & GOP did after inauguration was repeal a US law designed to crack down on corruption in the resources sector.
7/ Congress voted in February to repeal the “Cardin Lugar” provision, which compels American companies in oil, gas and mining industries to
8/ disclose payments they make to foreign governments. The law was implemented in 2016, having been passed in 2010 as part of the
9/ Dodd-Frank reform act introduced by Obama.

Cardin Lugar, named after the senators who sponsored it, was designed to boost transparency
10/ by showing how much money foreign governments receive from selling mineral rights. It is estimated that some $150bn in payments
11/ have been disclosed globally in last 2 yrs. But, the oil lobby in US complained about having to be transparent.
www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/02/04/investors-warn-bribery-risk-america-repeals-resources-industry/
12/ The elimination of these 2 anti-corruption requirements on flow of petrodollars is directly implicated in Trump’s attempts to do
13/ business w Saudis on NYSE:
www.bbc.com/news/business-41869135
Trump pitches for $2 trillion Saudi Aramco oil float
14/ Trump signaled “all clear” to Saudi oil king: “It’s ok to launder your petrodollars here now”

Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump
Would very much appreciate Saudi Arabia doing their IPO of Aramco with the New York Stock Exchange. Important to the United States!

Sarah L Smith‏*******@SLSmith000*

14/ Within hours of removing the petrodollar disclosure requirement, Trump courted the oil King.
www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/11/04/trump-says-he-spoke-to-saudi-king-about-aramco-they-will-consider-us-exchanges.html
15/ Trump’s “friends” stand to make BILLIONS $$$ with ZERO disclosure. If you think his family & business won’t profit, you are naive.
16/ Kushner was IN SAUDI ARABIA when Trump withdrew from the EITI.
17/ Right Wing Israel (many who stand to profit from ARAMCO IPO on NYSE) is fronting for Kushner on his secret trip.
www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.819768
18/ ARAMCO NYSE IPO which will enrich Trump was anticipated when Jared negotiated arms deal on behalf of the Saudis.
thinkprogress.org/jared-kushner-saudi-thaad-lockheed-martin-9caa1cf88f8f/
19/ The ARAMCO NYSE IPO will be the largest ever IPO in the world. Trump and his associates will get wealthy beyond imagination.
20/ Congress should IMMEDIATELY intervene to reinstate EITI disclosure requirements @SenMarkWarner @SenJohnMcCain @RepAdamSchiff @RepTedLieu
21/ Kushner should not have security clearance. For information about his repeated malfeasance, see:
twitter.com/i/moments/926230463852752897
22/ Petrodollar laundering via the NYSE is not new. Trump has made it more lucrative (Aramco) and less transparent.
www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/business/dealbook/deutsche-bank-fined-for-helping-russians-launder-10-billion.html
Smith Retweeted Sarah L Smith
23/ To be clear, any possible objection from Saudi to the laundering of petrodollars via NYSE has been neutralized:

Sarah L Smith‏*******@SLSmith000*
Saudi Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal, 2nd largest shareholder of #Twitter, has been arrested on money laundering charges
www.cnbc.com/2017/11/04/billionaire-saudi-prince-alwaleed-bin-talal-arrested-in-corruption-crackdown-local-reports.html

Sarah L Smith‏*******@SLSmith000*

24/ Trump’s threat of exposure from his most visible Saudi critic was quashed with the arrest of this Crown Prince:

Sarah L Smith‏*******@SLSmith000*
Saudi Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal tweeted this to Trump in January 2016 He is clearly an enemy of Trump.

طلال‏ @Alwaleed_Talal
Trump:You base your statements on photoshopped pics?I bailed you out twice;a 3rd time,maybe?

Sarah L Smith‏*******@SLSmith000*

25/ Trump says American businesses unfairly penalized by federal laws prohibiting bribing of foreign officials.
www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/16/rex-tillerson-at-the-breaking-point

In February, a few weeks after Tillerson was confirmed by the Senate, he visited the Oval Office to introduce the President to a potential deputy, but Trump had something else on his mind. He began fulminating about federal laws that prohibit American businesses from bribing officials overseas; the businesses, he said, were being unfairly penalized

Sarah L Smith‏*******@SLSmith000*
26/ Never forget, Trump Assets are in a Revocable, Not Blind, Trust
www.voanews.com/a/report-trump-assets-in-revocable-trust/3706054.html
27/ Disclosure of Trump’s tax returns imperative to determine how he has profited from Saudi arms deal or will profit from Aramco NYSE IPO
28/ Cardin, Lugar Statement on U.S. Withdrawal from Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative
www.cardin.senate.gov/newsroom/press/release/cardin-lugar-statement-on-us-withdrawal-from-extractive-industries-transparency-initiative
29/ Cardin-Lugar required under Sec 1504 Dodd-Frank for any US or foreign company on US stock exchanges to publicly disclose
30/ resource extraction payments made to governments on a project basis. Here’s Cardin & Lugar’s argument:
thehill.com/opinion/op-ed/249345-at-fifth-anniversary-time-to-finish-a-key-dodd-frank-rule