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Manafort Destiny? Trump continued

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PerkingFaintly · 30/10/2017 13:07

Where will the charges against Manafort lead? Whose shredders are overheating today? And most importantly, when will the Tweetstorm-from-the-loo start?

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TheClaws · 05/11/2017 23:11

Re: Texas shooting and Twitter users saying that this proves they should be able to carry guns in public places, Breitbart commenters are saying that all places of worship should be protected by an armed guard. Shock And, the shooter was clearly a Democrat. Sometimes I do wish I could punch people vicariously, over wifi.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/11/2017 06:23

Blake Hounshell
@blakehounshell
Ignatius says Kushner and MBS stayed up until 4 a.m. plotting strategy when Jared was in Riyadh

www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/global-opinions/the-saudi-crown-princes-risky-power-play/2017/11/05/4b12fcf0-c272-11e7-afe9-4f60b5a6c4a0_story.html

The Associated Press
@AP
BREAKING: Saudi Arabia blames Iran for Yemen missile launch, warns it could be 'considered as an act of war'

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/11/2017 06:32

Lebanon's Prime Minister Resigns, Fears Plot On His Life

www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/11/04/562072138/lebanons-prime-minister-resigns-fears-plot-on-his-life

Lebanese prime minister Saad Hariri announced his resignation Saturday, accusing his adversaries of political interference and citing a fear that he, like his father before him, would become the target of an assassination plot.

Hariri disclosed his surprise decision during a televised speech from Riyadh, the capital of Saudi Arabia, as NPR's Peter Kenyon reported to our newscast unit.

"We are living in a climate similar to the atmosphere that prevailed before the assassination of martyr Rafik al-Hariri," he said Saturday, referencing his late father who was killed in 2005, according to Reuters. "I have sensed what is being plotted covertly to target my life."

Hariri became Lebanon's prime minister late 2016 as part of a deal that gave some political concessions to his rival Hezbollah, the Shiite Muslim group backed by Iran.

Lebanon PM forced by Saudis to resign, says Hezbollah

www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-middle-east-41878364

The leader of Lebanon-based Shia group Hezbollah has said that Saudi Arabia forced the Lebanese prime minister to resign.

Saad al-Hariri stepped down in a televised broadcast from Saudi Arabia on Saturday, denouncing Hezbollah and its Iranian backers, and saying he feared for his life.

But the chief of Hezbollah, Hassan Nasrallah, said it was a Saudi decision "imposed" on him.

Saudi officials have denied this.

"It was not his intention, not his wish and not his decision to quit," Sheikh Nasrallah said in a televised address.

He questioned whether Mr Hariri would be able to return from Saudi Arabia, but also called for calm, amid fears that violence could erupt in Lebanon.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/11/2017 06:37

Caroline O.
Caroline O.
@RVAwonk

3 hrs later, #Antifa is now #2 hashtag on @SecureDemocracy's Russian propaganda tracker. They really want to link antifa w/ #churchshooting.

OperationWolverines
@OpWolverines
Mini thread, 1: Why #RefusePolarization? Read this excerpt from this on Aleksandr Dugin. www2.gwu.edu/~ieresgwu/assets/docs/demokratizatsiya%20archive/GWASHU_DEMO_12_1/John%20Dunlop%20Aleksandr%20Dugin%27s%20Foundations%20of%20Geopolitics.pdf

[rest of thread mobile.twitter.com/OpWolverines/status/927410072430428160 ]

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/11/2017 06:50

Cambridge Analytica, the Trump camp data firm, is hiring staffers to work on campaigns throughout Mexico in 2018.

www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/rafaelcabrera/cambridge-analytica-hiring-mexico

Fekko · 06/11/2017 06:51

Awwww DS did that at nursery (class goldfish, whole tub of fish food). I'm getting more if an insight into the orange toddlers brain now...

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/11/2017 06:52

Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
WaPo: Mueller has recently requested more docs about Trump's effort to build a tower in Moscow during the campaign.

At least nine people in Trump’s orbit had contact with Russians during campaign and transition

www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/at-least-nine-people-in-trumps-orbit-had-contact-with-russians-during-campaign-and-transition/2017/11/05/07c9993c-bf4c-11e7-959c-fe2b598d8c00_story.html

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/11/2017 07:10

Disinformation, gerrymandering and voter suppression all playing their part for the elections tomorrow:

Bots stoke racial strife in Virginia governor's race

Latino Victory Fund retracted a controversial ad. But the reaction has been amplified on Twitter by automated accounts.

www.politico.com/story/2017/11/03/virginia-governors-race-bots-racial-strife-244534

Nick Decaro
@decaro_nick
#GA

84% of voters who can vote until 8p are white, 49% who can only vote until 7p are people of color. Demand Cobb Co #opentil8 #gapol

Manafort Destiny? Trump continued
RedToothBrush · 06/11/2017 08:34

Saudi involvement probably will make it more difficult to make any charges stick...

Lweji · 06/11/2017 11:00

Breitbart commenters are saying that all places of worship should be protected by an armed guard.

Even mosques?

Lweji · 06/11/2017 11:26

'This isn't a guns situation,' says Trump after Texas church shooting

"US president says mental health of perpetrator, not gun ownership, to blame for mass shooting in which 26 people died"

Failing to realise that a large part of the issue is making sure people with mental health problems are not given access to guns.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/06/this-isnt-a-guns-situation-says-trump-after-texas-church-shooting

BiglyBadgers · 06/11/2017 11:33

'This isn't a guns situation,' says Trump after Texas church shooting

A mass shooting with actual guns is not a guns issue, but a terrorist incident by a person who had been in the country 7 years is an immigration issue. What a dick. Hmm

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/11/2017 11:51

Time for my favourite picture

Manafort Destiny? Trump continued
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/11/2017 11:53

Bill Browder
@Billbrowder
Veselnitskaya now changes her story and claims that Trump Jr. offered to review Magnitsky Act if father was elected

Trump Jr. Hinted at Review of Anti-Russia Law, Moscow Lawyer Says

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-06/trump-jr-said-anti-russia-law-may-be-reviewed-moscow-lawyer-says

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/11/2017 11:58

Seems problematic

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/11/2017 12:13

I never understood why the first version of the story that they were only talking about Russian adoptions wasn’t treated with more alarm as that also concerned the magnitsky act.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/11/2017 12:31

Russian Twitter Support for Trump Began Right After He Started Campaign

In three months after Mr. Trump announced his candidacy, tweets from Russian accounts offered far more praise for the businessman than criticism

www.wsj.com/amp/articles/russian-twitter-support-for-trump-began-right-after-he-started-campaign-1509964380

Kremlin-backed support for Donald Trump’s candidacy over social media began much earlier than previously known, a new analysis of Twitter data shows.

Russian Twitter accounts posing as Americans began lavishing praise on Mr. Trump and attacking his rivals within weeks after he announced his bid for the presidency in June 2015, according to the analysis by The Wall Street Journal.

A U.S. intelligence assessment released early this year concluded the Kremlin developed a “clear preference” for Mr. Trump over his Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton, but cited December 2015 as the earliest suspected time that Russian social-media accounts advocated for Mr. Trump.

The earlier starting point of pro-Trump tweets highlights the breadth of the Russian effort to manipulate social media during the 2016 election. Kremlin-paid actors sowed division among Americans with fake pages and accounts, inflammatory postings and thousands of paid ads aimed at both liberal and conservative audiences, according to testimony before Congress last week.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/11/2017 12:38

As an aside, as much as it pains me to defend him, trump was only following abe’s lead with dumping the food into the pond so I don’t know if it is really a legitimate example of his impatience not that there aren’t plenty of other examples of those

mrsreynolds · 06/11/2017 12:43

As I told ds1 this morning - Putin wants to destabilise the West

And tbh he's doing a bloody good job

cozietoesie · 06/11/2017 13:06

Isn’t he though?

PerkingFaintly · 06/11/2017 13:09

Yep, mrsreynolds.

Someone described the Russian (and far right) social media propaganda war as a successful blitzkreig, and I completely agree.

I feel like someone's just run tanks through the Ardennes Forest.

Now we're all desperately taking fallback positions and trying to slow the advance. But we've been outflanked.

It can't be business as usual in the UK: we have to recognise they'll have been playing the same game here - and elsewhere. I'm not completely pessimistic: we'll find ways to defend and fight back. But it's going to be a long slog.

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cozietoesie · 06/11/2017 15:38

The Aftermath will be ......challenging.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/11/2017 16:05

Caroline O.‏
@RVAwonk

-Republican Gov's Assoc (RGA) made a propaganda site disguised as news
-1st non-RGA follower was Gillespie's social media mgr
-Oh look, bots

twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/927550402756825088

OperationWolverines‏ @OpWolverines

Thread: Roy Moore’s campaign director on receipt of Russian bots previously denied by Moore campaign. Great find by @akrolla47

twitter.com/akrolla47/status/927387417505656832