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Manafort Destiny? Trump continued

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PerkingFaintly · 30/10/2017 13:07

Where will the charges against Manafort lead? Whose shredders are overheating today? And most importantly, when will the Tweetstorm-from-the-loo start?

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cozietoesie · 30/10/2017 14:26

.... It's likely Trump will raise the indictment of former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort....

Likely? Really? Grin

PainInTheEerie · 30/10/2017 14:27

I cannot wait for Maddow tonight! Grin

Also

Ted Lieu‏Verified account @tedlieu

Dear Paul Manafort & Richard Gates: Here's a fun fact for you. Federal prosecutors have a conviction rate of 93%.

cozietoesie · 30/10/2017 14:27

How are things in Puerto Rico by the way?

PainInTheEerie · 30/10/2017 14:29

Grin I know it seems hard to believe cozie but you have to consider there might be the slightest possibility that Trump doesn't believe in due process.

PainInTheEerie · 30/10/2017 14:31

The first drops of a tweetstorm?

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 5m5 minutes ago
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Sorry, but this is years ago, before Paul Manafort was part of the Trump campaign. But why aren't Crooked Hillary & the Dems the focus?????

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 2m2 minutes ago
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....Also, there is NO COLLUSION!

Gumpendorf · 30/10/2017 14:31

The Papadopoluos case was submitted on 28 July 2017 per the FBI statement assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4163404/Papadopoulos-Complaint-2017-07.pdf
I've only skim read but this is about Russia and P lying about meetings he had with Russians over info on Clinton. I wonder if he negotiated his sentence in return for info.

AcrossthePond55 · 30/10/2017 14:34

Seems likely gump. That'd be a damned good reason to keep it sealed til now

PainInTheEerie · 30/10/2017 14:37

It's unseemly to be grinning so much but Grin

Caroline O.‏ @RVAwonk 4
NEW: Former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos secretly pled guilty to making false statements to the FBI *about HRC's emails

PerkingFaintly · 30/10/2017 14:42

Oh oh, time to reprise one of my favourite Randy Rainbow songs! About that little meeting on June 9th attended by... guess who?

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PainInTheEerie · 30/10/2017 14:45

Preet Bharara‏Verified account @PreetBharara 7m7 minutes ago
Special Counsel Mueller appears to have a cooperating witness, George Papadopoulos. That is significant. Time will tell how significant.

PainInTheEerie · 30/10/2017 14:57

Carole Cadwalladr‏ @carolecadwalla

Amazing! Look @Arronbanks & @andywigmore. Your friend, the Russian ambassador to London @AmbYakovenko named in FBI indictment!

Peter Jukes‏Verified account
@peterjukes
British angle: Papadopolous was resident here when he made the approach to Trump. His Russian contact was the UK Ambassador Yakovenko and 'Putin's Niece'

[this is the ambassador that leavu.eu have been holding up as evidence of there being no collaboration between russia/brexit because he said so]

PainInTheEerie · 30/10/2017 14:58

Forgot the bit that mentioned him

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PainInTheEerie · 30/10/2017 14:59

Eamon is a Washington Correspondent for CNBC + wrote a book on corporate espionage. Economy, politics, spies, etc. Leak to me: www.cnbc.com/news-tips/

Eamon Javers‏Verified account @EamonJavers

I am told there will be no more new cases from the Special Counsel today.

PainInTheEerie · 30/10/2017 15:07

Renato Mariotti‏Verified account @renato_mariotti 1
THREAD: What does news that George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI mean? (Hint: He's flipping.)
1/ Today Trump Advisor George Padadopoulos pleaded guilty to one count of lying to the FBI. The charge is here: assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4163402/Papadopoulos-Statement-Offense.pdf
2/ Unlike the charges against Manafort and Gates, Padadopoulos is not charged via indictment. He has agreed to waive that right.
3/ That is something that defendants do when they are trying to be cooperative with the prosecutor. It saves the grand jury's time.
4/ Also it gives the defense some input into what is in the charging document (called an "information") because they are agreeing to it.
5/ In and of itself, the fact that he agreed to an information doesn't necessarily mean that he has "flipped."
6/ "Flipping" means that someone has agreed to completely and truthfully cooperate with the government, including testify against others.
7/ In addition to agreeing to an information, there are two other signs that strongly suggest to me that Padadopoulos has "flipped."
8/ First, he is pleading guilty. If Papadopoulos is not receiving any benefit from Mueller, there is little to be gained from doing that.
9/ He could wait to receive the evidence that Mueller plans to use (something called "discovery") and see what Mueller has on him.
10/ In addition, Papadopoulos is charged with only a single, narrow crime. That is also strongly suggestive of cooperation.
11/ Attorneys representing cooperators typically try to bargain with prosecutors over what crime they are charged with.
12/ Typically federal prosecutors require that defendants plead to a single felony crime that has a sufficient maximum criminal penalty
13/ to cover all of the criminal conduct they committed, because judges consider all of a defendant's activity when determining a sentence.
14/ Lying to the FBI is a fairly narrow crime, but it carries a five-year maximum sentence, which is sufficient to cover his liability.
15/ The fact that this charge was released now, along with Manafort and Gates, suggests to me that he will cooperate against one of them.
16/ Otherwise, Mueller could have waited to charge Padadopoulos. Obviously, the fact that he is admitting that he lied to the FBI will be
17/ by the defense to suggest that he is lying when he testifies against Manafort and/or Gates.
18/ That's very typical for cooperators. Usually cooperators are criminals themselves, and carry with them some amount of baggage.
19/ That's why, as I've said before, a witness like Comey is so much better. Unlike a cooperator, he's a career law enforcement officer.
20/ Nonetheless, Papadopoulos will be very important to Mueller because he can provide an inside look at the Trump campaign.
21/ Having an insider explain to the jury what happened is really important because it tells a story in a way documents don't tell alone.
22/ There is a lot more here to digest and discuss, including the detailed allegations. I'll post more threads (and discuss more on TV).
23/ I'll do my best to read your questions in this thread in between. /end

Ratonastick · 30/10/2017 15:09

My twopennorth, these are federal charges and carry decades in federal prison. Manafort has been up to this stuff since mid 00s, it is not new news. It is a pretty damn thorough piece of forensic accounting and has been enough to convince a Grand Jury to indict so it looks like it is probably enough to convict. Manafort is the direct link from Trump to the Kremlin and the weak link since he was fired mid campaign. He was also instrumental in Pence’s selection as running mate so is linked to the whole campaign. I suspect Mueller’s key question is “Do you want to die in prison or do you want to change sides and give us all the evidence we need?”

Gumpendorf · 30/10/2017 15:09

Papadopolous is co-operating and will continue to do so. The evidence of collusion is writ large. This is bigger than Manafort today.

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badbadhusky · 30/10/2017 15:10

Pulling up a chair & cracking open the popcorn.

PainInTheEerie · 30/10/2017 15:40

The Seth Abramson thread is still being posted on but this is worth mentioning I think

Seth Abramson‏Verified account @SethAbramson

77/ More soon, but I will say—beyond doubt—today is the beginning of the end of the Trump Administration. The Papadopoulos news is that big.

cozietoesie · 30/10/2017 15:40

Great title by the way. Smile

PainInTheEerie · 30/10/2017 15:50

cozie in response to your Puerto Rico query, not good at all sadly

David Begnaud‏Verified account @DavidBegnaud

Monday in Puerto Rico
40 days after Maria
EStatus.pr reports:
*31% power generation
*81% of ppl have water
It’s 88 degrees there, today.

It's good that some states are taking action but where is the robust federal response?

New York to send additional utility crews to Puerto Rico

thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/357737-new-york-to-send-additional-utility-crews-to-puerto-rico

It is only going to get worse

Puerto Rico's Dire Health-Care Crisis
Over a month after Hurricane Maria, citizens are still facing limited access to medical help and the increasing threat of illness.

www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/10/puerto-ricos-health-care-crisis-is-just-beginning/544210/

cozietoesie · 30/10/2017 15:56

Much as I suspected. Thanks though, Pain.

cricketballs3 · 30/10/2017 16:01

Tweets about Fox news have been funny, this article covers the fox news coverage perfectly

RedToothBrush · 30/10/2017 16:06

Brian Beutler @ brianbeutler
This footnote seems, um, pretty bad.

A potential smoking gun?

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Dunlurking · 30/10/2017 16:26

Oooh just loving today fast paced events, and especially Seth Abramson and Renato Mariotti's analysing tweets Grin I'm also looking forward to Maddow tonight!

Dunlurking · 30/10/2017 16:27

We need a dancing emoji!