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To think I don't need permission from dh to diet

157 replies

Jesstheblackandwhitecat · 26/10/2017 18:17

Or do I?

I want to do a very low calorie diet - shakes and soups.

Dh has said no as he is worried that seeing me not eating will affect the children (they are already poor eaters)

I can't work out inches being an arse or not ...

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PurpleDaisies · 27/10/2017 11:02

What are you binging on?

Jesstheblackandwhitecat · 27/10/2017 11:03

Crisps, toast, biscuits, cereals, anything really.

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TimeIhadaNameChange · 27/10/2017 11:19

Come over to Bootcamp and have a chat to everyone there, especially BIWI. She'll help you out.

reetgood · 27/10/2017 11:35

If you’re coming from a history of eating disorder, I think you have to be extra careful with calorie restricted diets. From an outside perspective it sounds like you’re repeating a familiar pattern of disordered eating, just putting a different label on it.

How has that worked for you so far? I’m guessing not great. So what will make it different this time? Do you know how to eat without it being about guilt? Do you know how to eat when it’s not eating badly or heavily restricted? I’d focus on healing that. It would be an awesome gift to give your children.

You might think your kids don’t notice, but they do. My partner was a fat kid with a mother who got involved in every fad diet going. He’s got more of a handle on it now, but the legacy of being around that is still evident. He has ‘good’and ‘bad’ foods, and will eat to the point of discomfort on ‘forbidden’ foods. He is not someone who did well being around food restriction and talk of being fat/ thin. Having a ‘big why’ motivation often helps you be more successful losing weight, but if you could spare your kids being exposed to diet nonsense and pain around eating that you’ve had to deal with, wouldn’t you choose that over ‘not being overweight’?

We’ve finally found a balance by settling on a slow carb, higher fat balance with lots of context around being gentle with yourself and learning to recognise both hunger cues and feelings of satiety. The plan is called always hungry.

He also used a book called the beck diet solution, which applies cbt approaches to diet. It helps to identify unhelpful thinking around food etc

Motoko · 27/10/2017 11:36

Well, you obviously can't manage it yourself, or you wouldn't be like this in the first place.

The GP can refer you to a dietitian, a counsellor (to get to the root cause of your food issues), and some places, you can even get free gym membership prescribed. You should go back to your GP and discuss this with them.

You need to approach this holistically, not just focus on the food part of it. You've already had an eating disorder, you need to be careful not to trigger it again.

reetgood · 27/10/2017 11:48

Oh and as someone who’s been in the position your husband is in, I found we made the most progress when I learned to zip my lip and let my partner make his choices.

However, I can tell you it’s extremely painful to watch the person you love pursue behaviours that you know to be unhelpful and harmful. To watch them restrict, try to be supportive only to watch them ‘fail’ because what they do is unsustainable.

I found this blog on eating competence really helpful www.fatnutritionist.com/index.php/how-to-eat-in-a-nutshell-lesson-one/

NameChangr678 · 27/10/2017 12:23

Fat is demonised by conventional thinking. They see me using it mindfully as a replacement for carbs, because I am not as physically active, therefore do not need carbs.

This is bollocks, carbs are brain food. What's with the demonising carbs? They're the basis of my diet and I've been size 8 all my life. Just in moderation - portion control is key. Look at the Chinese - tiny and the basis of their meals is rice. Or Italians. They just eat a lot LESS. You can eat whatever you want, just reduce the portions.

PurpleDaisies · 27/10/2017 12:24

What's with the demonising carbs? They're the basis of my diet and I've been size 8 all my life. Just in moderation - portion control is key.

Me too.

specialsubject · 27/10/2017 12:29

No one can survive without carbs , any more than you can cut out sugar ( a carb). It is dimwit paltrow science.

No food is bad in itself .

Jesstheblackandwhitecat · 27/10/2017 12:31

There are trends in diets just like in real life. A couple of years ago everyone was raving about the 5:2, then it was slimming world.

reet it's interesting what you say from the other side.

We can afford gym membership, its not the money. It's if I'd go, and I wouldn't. I don't need to see a dietician or a counseller either,

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SoMuchToBits · 27/10/2017 12:35

No, you can't survive without carbs (or if you did, you'd soon have scurvy and/or other vitamin deficiencies).

What the Low Carb Bootcamp advocates is a low carb way of eating, not a carb free way of eating. Most of the carbs eaten on this diet will come from (perfectly healthy) vegetables, salad and dairy products. You will be able to eat tasty, fresh, real food, and the reduction (not total lack) of carbs will help to reduce the cravings for high carbohydrate foods.

Jesstheblackandwhitecat · 27/10/2017 12:36

Honestly, it really isn't something I feel I can or want to do. I'm really pleased it's working so well for you though

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Nadinexo1 · 27/10/2017 12:37

I went on the forever living clean 9 programme for 9 days just to kick start me to lose weight, it's expensive and to be honest you could do it yourself without paying for it all however it provided me with a solid plan to follow everyday and once I'd lost 2 kg from it I carried on exercising and eating healthily and every once in a while a slim fast shake and I've kept the weight off and am continuing to lose more.
what I'm trying to say with all that waffle is that I don't think it's unhealthy for you to do shakes as long as it's to kick start and not long term

Motoko · 27/10/2017 12:46

I don't need to see a dietician or a counseller either

I disagree, but it's you that you're hurting, so crack on with your plan. If you think it will all be magically better once you've lost the weight, you're going to be seriously disappointed, because you haven't treated the underlying cause of your disordered view of food.

Jesstheblackandwhitecat · 27/10/2017 12:49

And I never will. It isn't something you recover from.

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GetOffTheTableMabel · 27/10/2017 12:50

You do not need your DH's permission but you absolutely do need his support. There are pages and pages of messages from other experienced dieters offering alternative suggestions and encouragement but you are adamant that VLCD is the thing you want to try and, for this reason alone, I think you may as well pursue it. No method works unless you believe in it and are committed to it and you are demonstrably not on board. You are clear, in own mind, about that you want to do so you need to think carefully about your DH's objections and deal with them.
Think about mealtimes in your family. How often do you all sit down together? How often, in practice, will the children notice that you are eating something different to them? How can you best explain this to them? Would you dh prefer you not to discuss it with them at all and, if so, can you rearrange meals so that you eat separately and don't need to talk about it with them? It depends how old your children are but younger children are not especially curious about adult habits. My DH's mother died of a stroke in her 50s brought on by a lifetime of anorexia. He is understandably hyper-sensitive about the messages our daughters receive about dieting but I have found it relatively easy to just conceal my dieting from them. We don't eat together during the week due to work etc and at the weekend I exercise careful portion control while eating the same healthy meal as the rest of the family. They don't notice whether I eat 1 potato or 4, they don't think it's odd if I'm too full for pudding and although it may have slowed weight loss a little bit, it means I stay on track Mon-Fri and quite look forward to a few small treats at the weekend. My dh can cope with my dieting this way and you need to engage properly with your own dh about his legitimate concerns about so that he will support your choice. It is possible to diet without involving the whole family in it. There are plenty of things we keep private from our children and our feelings about food, our bodies and diet should be one of them.

PurpleDaisies · 27/10/2017 12:51

You can get to a place where you eat sensibly.

Putting yourself in a position where you’re in serious risk of a relapse by severely restricting what you’re eating is a terrible idea.

Focus on thinking of food as healthy fuel. If you’re vegetarian you must like vegetables. Eat more of those and less of the rest.

Jesstheblackandwhitecat · 27/10/2017 12:52

I don't think dh has a clue just how bad my eating is.

I haven't sat down and eaten a healthy meal i cooked myself more than maybe a dozen times in my adult life. Thats awful, i know,

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PurpleDaisies · 27/10/2017 12:54

I haven't sat down and eaten a healthy meal i cooked myself more than maybe a dozen times in my adult life. Thats awful, i know,

So that seems like a really sensible place to start. Look at introducing more healthy food into your diet.

Can I ask why you don’t eat meat and dairy?

Jesstheblackandwhitecat · 27/10/2017 12:56

Ethical reasons.

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Booboobooboo84 · 27/10/2017 13:10

Maybe you need to look at what your binging on. Removing your binge food and replacing it with healthy options is the behaviour your children need to see

Jesstheblackandwhitecat · 27/10/2017 13:11

I know boo, I don't know why I can't, I just can't. I am rubbish!

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reetgood · 27/10/2017 13:24

@jess it used to break my heart. We come from very different places food wise - I love to cook, I find it easy to recognise hunger cues. Food is sociable, interesting, nourishing. He is much more food as fuel and as I said before has ‘good’ and ‘bad’ foods as well as a whole load of shame and guilt about weight and eating. He isn’t so confident with cooking but has definitely become more so in the past few years.

There were points when I felt so stuck, like we’d got into a dynamic where I was being co-opted into this disordered eating without my consent!

I read more about eating competence and made myself stop commenting: on him bemoaning his weight (I’d normally reassure him) and on what he ate. I did buy him the cbt book and he read bits of it. I also introduced the new plan to him, and we approached as a team. I often devolved menu planning to him too, although I have to admit that he’s done best when I literally prep all his food and just make it easily available. I think then he’s got more brain space to deal with emotions and cravings.

One of the greatest wins over the last year was when he said to me ‘I had something off plan today. But I told myself, like it says in the book, that doesn’t mean everything is ruined. I can just start over at my next meal’. And I’ve also heard him say ‘no, I’m not hungry I just want to eat more and I don’t need to’ and walk away from food. It was scary for me at the beginning and hard to change our pattern around food but we are getting there.

It sounds to me like you want to do this diet. Sometimes you just have to play out the behaviour. I seriously doubt it will change your fundamental relationship with food and that’s the issue here. However it’s not like alternative options are going to stop being available to you just because for whatever reason you need to really really make sure that what’s not working isn’t working :) they will all be there for you when you’re ready.

I do understand that eating disorders don’t go away. We just get better at managing them. My sister had an eating disorder in her teens that she manages with exercise now. She is really anti any diet that excludes or restricts foods, because that’s a very slippery slope for her. Her exercise is now at a point where it’s not obsessive - it probably was for a while. My partner will probably never be ‘cured’, but he does now know what works for him and what doesn’t (apparently he thought it was normal for ones stomach to swell up like a balloon after eating a lot of wheat flour). I think you are repeating what doesn’t work for you, but sometimes we have to do that a number of times before we get that no, really and truly, it doesn’t work.

MrLovebucket · 27/10/2017 13:45

And I never will. It isn't something you recover from

Agreed but it is something you can learn to control and manage.

I suspect your eating behaviours are already impacting on your children. They rarely see you eating anything yet you are still visibly overweight. Maybe they are "poor eaters" because they are already worried about putting on weight. It must be very confusing for them - Mum hardly eats anything but she's overweight ergo we need to eat small amounts in case we end up like that too.

You would set a better example by cooking healthy meals and eating a sensible sized portion of it with them. You will lose weight and they will see that a healthy diet actually works.

If you are still binge eating in secret then you need to deal with your ED. I doubt that getting to your goal weight on a VLCD will mean that the binge eating magically disappears.

iBiscuit · 27/10/2017 13:51

What was it about SW that didn't work for you, op?

I've found it brilliant, and we're all eating better as a result

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