Paying £100's for mongrels

[dimondjedi9]

All I have seen on Facebook is adverts selling so called ‘designer’ puppies for ridiculous amounts of money.
All these Jackerpoos, cockerpoo, yorkieshit etc are basically mongrels, it amazes me why people would pay £700+ for a mongrel.
The definition of mongrel is:
Any animal resulting from the crossing of different breeds or types.
We rescued our little Westie from travellers, she had been bred and bred until she became of no use, the amount of different puppies they were selling was unreal, crossing them with everything.
Surely the worry will be that if these dogs keep being inbred all the time then the true breed will disappear, Facebook should ban the selling of any animal, especially on the run up to xmas!

Not my vet, Professor, my dsis's vet.

Do you guys think that poodles & poodle cross breeds smell more than dogs that can shed? I think they do smell worse.

The worst smelling dog I have ever encountered DD's great dane - he reeks of dog! Absolutely reeks.

We had a small pack of six terriers and altogether they didn't smell a quarter as bad as him.

And he moults like an enraged porcupine - tiny spikes all over the place.

Perhaps people don''t realise that poodle crosses and poodles need to be groomed, and not just clipped every six weeks or so. Their coats grow very quickly, and if you don't get the brush/comb right down to the skin the wool will "felt" (I think someone has already mentioned this), trapping dirt, burrs, dead hair and oils - and fleas and ticks for that matter. A dirty dog is a smelly dog.

Unless a dog has a very short, close coat it needs a through groom at least once a day (sometimes more often). Double-coated dogs e.g. yorkshire terriers are especially prone to matting which gets very uncomfortable (and stinky)

I would love a scruffy mongrel puppy. I have no idea where you find them though. I’ve looked at rescues but too many are unsuitable for young children.

www.scruffydogrescue.co.uk

I have a dog rescued by scruffy dog rescue from Romania. I didn't set out to do this as there are many dogs in this country that need homes. I found out once I enquired about my dog. These dogs are so grateful for love and mine is an absolute gem.

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Bless you hahahaIdontgetit, I stand corrected on my use of a metaphor, obviously he doesn’t run exactly like a greyhound because he is a labrador. He is bloody fast for a lab though.

FairfaxAikman she’s lovely. This is my boy.

We didn’t want a puppy, we tried a number of rescue shelters to find a dog. They said didn’t have anything suitable for us as we have one child who was 4.5yrs at the time and I work part time 10 hours a week. The major of them said that they wouldn’t rehome where there is a child under 8 or when people work. I think it’s very hard to get a rescue dog these days! Most of the dogs were Staffies or large crossbreeds, we were looking for a small dog. I actually had a rescue dog about 20yrs ago when we both worked full time. They are much stricter now about who dogs are rehomed to which is understandable.

We were about to give up when I came across a private advert for a small dog who required rehoming as owner had passed away. We travelled half way across the country to meet him. Apparently they were inundated with calls so we were lucky to find him. He’s a one year old poodle cross. Not a cockerpoo. We paid £300 and he’s great. Obviously if we had found him in a rescue shelter he would have cost us less, probably around £150 but he wouldn’t have coped very well in a rescue centre, he was very pampered. I expect they would have had a queue out of the door of people wanting to take him home, I had two different people approach me and asking if I would sell him within two weeks of owning him.

We have been lucky, he was a well looked after pup who was rehomed in unfortunate circumstances. Several of my friends have rescue dogs and they all have quite a few issues so I can see why people, especially with young families, choose a puppy over an older dog that likely has had a difficult background.

Definitely no snobbery here about my poodle mix doggie. I don’t call him a mongrel as I know what mix of breeds he is. Doesn’t make him any less special than my inlaws pedigree spaniel!

The problem is with anyone breeding puppies as a business. People see cross breeds selling and think it is free money.

Maybe bring back dog licences costing £500+if animal is unneutered and £10 if it is. Neutered licence for life, unneutered every 12 months.

Serious breeders will absorb the cost, bloke with a dog he breeds with his mates dog will suddenly stop seeing £££

No. I;d rather there was no random breeding, but it will occasionally happen, and someone who genuinely cares about their pet, but has had an accidental pregnancy, is more likely take care of the puppies properly, too.

If they even let their bitch give birth. I’ve know a couple of people who have bought pedigrees and who have aborted unwanted pregnancy.

One of my Mums neighbours was furious that our mongrel got her purebred show dog pregnant and insisted mum pay for the abortion.. Their show dog was in season and the bloke had let it out in middle of night, the bloke went back inside and didn’t see their dog squeezed through fence into our garden, my mum tried to stop them but she’s getting on and couldn’t make it to other end of large garden, she did try shouting to alert them but owner said he’d give back in for toilet himself.

Woman tried to tell my Mum that it’s our responsibility, that our dig has lost her a lot of money as if people find out her show dog has ever been pregnant by a mongrel then ahe won’t be able get the correct price should she choose to breed. That out dig should be leashed if it can’t cintrol itself.

Mum told her to fuck off and that our dog was secured in his own garden and it’s their job to supervise their own dog, not my mums. They aborted the puppies and out the dig up for sale once it recovered from the op they sold it.

Husbands aunt paid £1,000 pound for some little thing, a cavadoodle or something several years ago.

She was livid when she looked up insurance and found her dog didn’t have its own catergory. She complain to a few companies but gave up after all. Her dog being classed as a mongrel bothered her so much that she would not insure it. She may have now, I don’t know, but I know she hadn’t insured it four years after because it didn’t have it’s own listingstill!

Maybe bring back dog licences costing £500+if animal is unneutered and £10 if it is. Neutered licence for life, unneutered every 12 months.

Great idea Sashh - but could I add in two points for discussion on that one?

1 - there's starting to be quite a lot of research done into the effects of early neutering, as it's now thought that the onset of puberty in dogs is the signal to the body to start closing up the growth plates. It's possible that the increase in joint issues, especially in larger or more active breeds, is related to the increase in early neutering, and there is now a school of thought that says dogs shouldn't be neutered until they're at least 2 years old. So maybe everyone pays the £10 if unneutered until the age of 2, but is fined if a litter is produced? (Though how you'd police that...)

2 - exemption for working dogs if not used for breeding. I have been told over and over again by my shepherd friends not to get my collie done, (a) because he'll need the aggression his hormones give him when faced with a stroppy hill ewe who has no intention of coming out from behind the rocks she's tucked herself into and (b) because neutering can cause weight gain and he needs to be lean to be fast enough to get around the sheep. Gundog owners would probably have similar reasons. Again, a one-off fee could be charged for a litter (planned or otherwise).

(And with point 2, I don't mean total exemption, I mean exemption from the higher rate).

I can't neuter my girl until 2. She's a giant breed and it's a really bad idea.
Many people with pedigrees do showing. You can't show a neutered dog.
TBH I would welcome dog licences if people had to undergo some kind of education. Some people seem to think you can take on a puppy and go back to full time work after the weekend or think puppy classes are all the training that's needed.

You can't show a neutered dog

What? Yes you can. I've been showing for 20 years and two of those dogs have been a spayed bitch and a neutered dog.

Woman tried to tell my Mum that it’s our responsibility, that our dig has lost her a lot of money as if people find out her show dog has ever been pregnant by a mongrel then ahe won’t be able get the correct price should she choose to breed

What a load of archaic rubbish dinghy - no-one with any sense still believes that a bitch is "ruined' if she has mongrel puppies these days.

Good for your mum putting the tossers in their place.

Feel sorry for that poor little bitch, though.

KC rules state you can't show a neutered dog at champ level.

I've shown neutered dogs at Crufts, actually.

You need a letter of permission from the KC, which is extremely easy to get.

KC rules state you can't show a neutered dog at champ level.

From a KC guide to showing in the UK:

"Dogs that have been spayed or castrated are permitted to be exhibited at Kennel Club licensed events."

There are no restrictions on which shows you can enter with a neutered dog, you just need to fill in a form and send it to the KC prior to competing.

And taken from the 'Regulations for the Preparation of Dogs for Exhibition' which is always printed on KC show schedules (I'm copying this from the schedule for the 2018 Manchester champ show):

No act or operation which alters the natural conformation of a dog or any part thereof may be performed except:
(a) Operations certified to the satisfaction of the General Committee
(b) The removal of dewclaws of any breed
(c) Operations to prevent breeding, provided that such operations are notified to the Kennel Club before neutered dogs are shown.

Most people who show prefer not to neuter their dogs even if they never intend to breed from them, because neutering often affects the animal's coat so they don't show well.

Also, male dogs neutered early get very "leggy". Their proportions are destroyed because the growth plates on the long bones don't fuse as early as they should because they don't get the hormonal signal required.

And a lot of dogs get fat because their metabolism is affected.

I've been told it's a no. Maybe it's just frowned upon. I have been given the impression this it is only ok if the health of the dog was at risk.

Frowned upon by who? Who would even know a bitch was spayed? People who have had dogs neutered sometimes have implants put in if they want to show.

Neutering had no effect on the costs, legs or weight of any of mine. It can sometimes effect weight but it depends on the dog.

Word gets round.
It tends to be the same people judging each other's dogs. Not a massively popular breed!
The idea is that the people showing want to breed from "good" dogs to keep the breed healthy and preserve the good.