Paying £100's for mongrels

[dimondjedi9]

All I have seen on Facebook is adverts selling so called ‘designer’ puppies for ridiculous amounts of money.
All these Jackerpoos, cockerpoo, yorkieshit etc are basically mongrels, it amazes me why people would pay £700+ for a mongrel.
The definition of mongrel is:
Any animal resulting from the crossing of different breeds or types.
We rescued our little Westie from travellers, she had been bred and bred until she became of no use, the amount of different puppies they were selling was unreal, crossing them with everything.
Surely the worry will be that if these dogs keep being inbred all the time then the true breed will disappear, Facebook should ban the selling of any animal, especially on the run up to xmas!

Is a Jack Russell crossed with a shitzu a Jackshit?

I grew up with a cross breed. A rescue. Unwanted litter. He was lovely.
People are stupid. They want a dog based on what it looks like. They take on these crosses with no sense of what the breed traits will be. Grooming and exercise or training needs. They buy from sodding puppy farmers. Because it's desirable to have a somethingpoo
@LadyIrisBarclay you've missed out any mention of health testing the parents before breeding. It's hard work but that doesn't mean people will end up with healthy puppies.

Maelstrom-no idea really why I find it nasty, but I don't like it. I can't say I ever found it offensive until the term was used about my boy and to me, it seems a very cutting type of insult.

I have a rescue dog that everyone thinks is a cockapoo as he looks like one. No way would I pay £800 for a dog when there are so many dogs without homes. Ours cost £100 and he'd been neutered, vaccinated, flea and worm treated. Bargain and gorgeous with it.

lady my best friends mum used to show and breed Shelties. It was her whole life. Took up all her time and most of her (enormous) house. Some of her dogs won best of breed at crufts.

She usually had one or maybe two litters for sale per year. She sold the puppies for a fortune - and never actually made a penny profit! She would always take back (and then keep) any of her dogs who were no longer wanted for whatever reason. Rare though it was.

But why do you breed cockerpoos? Because they're currently fashionable and you know they'll sell ? And have you had the correct health tests for both breeds involved e.g. hip/eye scores etc? If you have, good, but I frankly don't see the point of putting those particular breeds together. If you're going to outcross, surely it should be to resolve a genetic issue or to improve the breed? Neither cockers nor poodles need improving, I think?

I see a lot of this type (friend is a groomer) and many of those I've seen have overshot jaws. It may be a local deformity, but I'm appalled that anyone would pay the prices I've seen for a dog with that sort of issue (not saying yours have this, of course).

Same as others have said above. I got a rescue staffie 5 years ago and he is well and truly part of the family and adored.

I can't fathom why people insist on buying puppies from back yard breeders when shelters are bursting with unwanted puppies and dogs. Imo breeding dogs isn't a job, its just cruel.

A breed is a strain where two parents will produce offspring that have the same set of characteristics.
A cross breed is a cross between 2 breeds.
A mongrel is a mix of three or more breeds. In the context of breeding its not a derogatory term, any more than bitch.

If people don't health test their breeding stock they are no better than puppy farmers. And you'd be amazed how many add puppies to their litters.
People who take ex puppy farm stock keep those places open. If people forced them to pay the cost of disposal they'd be unprofitable, and thats the only way they'll close.

And is a poodle crossed with a Shitzu a Pooshit?

I wish people would fuck off with constantly suggesting rescues in ALL situations. I don't want a dog with unknown history. I don't want a pup where we're not sure what size it'll grow to be. The only pups that come into my local rescues are gone before they're advertised and all that's left is staffies and hideous bull breeds. If I want a pup, I'll do the necessary research and pay what I feel is appropriate.
Puppy farming is awful, but so is intensive breeding of pedigree animals from limited genetic stock.

Is a Bulldog crossed with a Shitzu a Bullshit?

As soon as a breed or cross become popular the puppy farmers are all over that particular bandwagon, breeding indiscriminately for £££. Before the 'doodles' became popular, there were very few poodles about because the popularity of the breed had waned over the 20 yrs I've been a vet, so now they will breed from any poodle they can find, irrespective of temperament. I have seen a lot of poodle crosses that are completely neurotic. Don't even get me started on all the brachycephalic breeds that are now super popular! Dog breeding is a welfare nightmare, and in general the public do amazingly little research before choosing a dog for the next 15 yrs. I despair.

"And is a poodle crossed with a Shitzu a Pooshit?"

Nah, it's a Shittypoo

Hybrid vigor i think is the term in horse breeding- a 50/50 breed that has much better health as a result

Cockerpoos are massively popular because they’re so easy to train. So what if they’re a cross breed. I have one because we all desperately wanted a dog but I’m chronically ill and unable to train one. We needed an easy peasy dog undemanding dog with no issues. He’s great. He amuses himself. Not at all demanding. Two downsides. 1) Doesn’t like being left alone, which is fine as I’m too ill to work. 2) He’s easily spooked. For us, he’s the new lab, which is what we had last time.

YABU if you think mix breeding will cause genetic mutations and ill health. It's the pure breeds that have the shorter life spans and most risks of illnesses such as blindness in Dalmatian's, hip and back problems in German shepherds etc.
My family have always had mongrels and they've all lived 16-20 years. That's much rarer with a pedigree.

YANBU to think the prices are ridiculous though. I wouldn't pay so much for any dog when there's rescue centres full of lovely dogs needing homes.

NotAgainYoda 😂😂😂

We would have rescued a dog, but none of the ones in our area were suitable for children under 12.

So we bought a puppy from someone as devoted as LadyIris.

We pondered breeding from her, as the kids would love puppies - but the amount of care required to raise the puppies would mean self- employed DH not working for weeks, so even if we charged hundreds of pounds it would not be worth it!

For us, paying a (relatively steep) price for the right pup was worth it.

Yoda I guess it is and a bulldog crossed with a Shitzu is a Bullshit.

surely the worry will be that if these dogs keep being inbred all the time then the true breed will disappear

This is not the worry.

A lot of misuse of terms crossbreed/inbreed on this thread.

Why can't people just RESPONSIBLY buy or rescue the dog they want? Why do we have to have all these stupid debates about whether cockerpoos or whatever exist? Not everyone who buys a "designer" dog is an idiot! Not everyone cam nor wants to rescue.

Isn't the breeding of labradoodles (sp?) for it's lack of hair shedding? Or allergies? Or something?

Mummyoflittledragon You have been lucky, many people end up with a dog that has the hyperactivity of a working cocker and is as neurotic as a badly bred poodle.

You dont know what you are going to get with a cross breed, its why Guide dogs for the blind gave up trying to develop the Labradoodle after decades of trying. Wally Conron says he regrets the outcome and believes he has damaged dogs.
For a dog enthusiast, thats a terrible thing to live with.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/labradoodle-inventor-wally-conron-admits-hes-done-a-lot-of-damage-ahead-of-us-westminster-kennel-9115851.html

Ah! 'Squashed' face.

:(

DJ