Is there a similar forum to MN for men? And if not, why not?

[Multidimensionalbeing]

Because I think there should be.

I don't hate men though it will probably be suggested. I really don't. And I think the forum should be open to anyone who wants to use it for advice.

But....It's becoming increasingly strange around here. We've always had the 'what about the menz?' posters derailing threads talking about the harrassment or abuse of women by pointing out that women do it too..... Though it seems worse recently.

But now it seems that so many threads descend into accusations that men are treated differently on MN and often they are. But surely that's because it has a predominantly female membership? Who will see things from the female perspective?

It seems to me that it's causing division and bun-fighting among posters when I genuinely don't understand why there isn't a similar forum available for men?

Why not?

Why does a man join a predominantly female forum to then point out that they're not being treated like a woman? Or....just sit and watch as the women do it for them?

If there is no where else for them on-line then why not?

I'm sure it's possible.

Krytensnanobots: Instead of complicated verification processes could we not just have a topic that is for women only. Yes some very odd men might try to post on there while posing as women but the main point would be that it would stop the "as a man" opinion posts.

I do not think asking for just 1 topic on the whole of mumsnet is too much to ask.

'It’s all very well men shrugging their shoulders and saying “no one should discriminate against any sex, that’s equality y’all” when that person is part of a class of people who, in the U.K. alone -

Rape 85,000 women a year
Sexually assault 1 in 5 women
Kill 2 women a week
Abuse 1 in 4 women
Commit 96% of violent and sexually violent crimes

Rather than moaning about double standards, how about being part of the solution to change the above to make these numbers much lower? And you can talk about equality when female-on-male crimes even closely match male-on-female crimes.'

This is a complete derail. This thread is about men posting on a parenting site, not about sexual assault.

I bet you post this in response to any man's opinion on anything that you disagree with. It is your ''privilege' ace of spades'.

This is why i am so pleased about the backlash against 'safe spaces' (in terms of the internet or university debating chambers, not genuine places where like minded people get together in real life and support one another).

One opinion does not get to trump another. Viewpoints stand or fall on their own merits, not the merits of the person posting them or how oppressed they feel that they have been.

And men posting on a parenting site are part of the 'solution' that you talk about. Sexual apartheid will only entrench attitudes.

Personally, I have no desire to exclude men from MN but I will remark on the mansplaining and the minimising and the derailing from self proclaimed male posters when I see it.
I can't imagine why a man would choose to post on a female specific thread such as relating to menstruation or how it feels to breastfeed or similar other than to be deliberately disruptive.

I obviously can't tell who is a man online and I've been utterly convinced that posters are male only to have them declare themselves female later on.

Well, there's one glaring fault there already - what's to stop a man inputting his wife's/girlfriends card details instead?!
Putting card details in doesn't mean it automatically proves you're female and therefore allowed on the site

What exactly have I said to ruffle your feathers? I clearly said that most topics on here were quite gender neutral. I just think a woman only area would be good. My thought behind it was there are areas only accessible by women and offered a way that could be used to try and determine that. Obviously people could use other people's cards but less men would be bothered to go through all that. Saying men only will still attract men and will not stop them goon on there. It could have been a way to filter some out. It could be used for one thread (could even have a bloke one too) where women can be more confident they are speaking to a female audience.

viewpoints stand and fall on their own merits

They really don't though. In any mixed sex space, male viewpoints are privileged over female ones. Female perspectives are derided, ignored, shouted down and silenced, in online and RL spaces. Women on this thread are complaining that this is happening even here

If you want to have a conversation with us, you have to start by listening to us. We have been listening to you for a long time.

I genuinely can't imagine men engaging on any forum the way some of the women on here do. Plus there are already lots of male forums, sports and exercise ones which are effectively the same thing as mumsnet. They are much less bitchy from the snippets I've read out of curiosity 🤷🏻‍♀️

I doubt many men would go on a women only area (I certainly would not). However, the only way to find out is to form one.

Personally I think that it is a good idea. However, I suspect it would go the same way as Dadsnet.

do not think asking for just 1 topic on the whole of mumsnet is too much to ask.

No, you're right, there's nothing wrong with an all female part of Mumsnet. There is everything wrong with some saying all men need to get off MN as they're not wanted which was earlier on the thread.
You simply can't police it though. Anyway, the dad's get given their own corner and the mums start place marking and chipping into the discussions on vasectomies!
That's doing the exact same thing.

What exactly have I said to ruffle your feathers?

Nothing All I did was point out that there's a glaring fault with your so called women's safe space as putting card details in won't make it women only.

Well, let's take a look at the guardian, for example. Are there articles about Harvey Weinstein and sexual assault? Oh yes. Open to comments? No. Why not? Probably the army of men ready to deal with any woman who dares talk about it.

Why don't women want that everywhere?

Maybe I read your reply in the wrong tone so apologies. However all I have seen here is people moaning about not having access to an area that is female only without any suggestions as to how to change that. I was merely using my incredibly limited IT knowledge to start building a solution. Nothing will ever be fail safe, but as I said you could make an impact. Maybe have to do it once when you join just to 'Prove identity' and then only allow women into certain areas and men into others. If you don't know there was going to be limitations you probably wouldn't know to use an alternative card

Don't behave like an idiot and all will be fine

This should be a tagline in the start of every thread.

Are there articles about Harvey Weinstein and sexual assault? Oh yes. Open to comments? No. Why not?

Because it's an ongoing/current case. With him being accused of assaults. Look at any news articles on assaults/burglaries/muggings etc and you will see comments disabled.
You can't speculate on ongoing court cases/assaults by law.
Nothing to do with "armies of men."

Newpaper articles about weinstein are locked for comments for legal reasons. Not gender bias.

However, I suspect it would go the same way as Dadsnet.

It wouldn't, it would go the same way as this thread and the NAMALT thread. You'd have to spend the whole time justifying why it was women only and people would still argue with it.

They are, yeah. Which is also why they are locked on articles about the metoo hash tag and the majority of other articles pertaining to eomens rights.

Newpaper articles about weinstein are locked for comments for legal reasons

Yes this. They're locked for legal reasons. The articles written are already checked and double checked by the Papers Lawyers. Unfortunately there's no way it would be possible to stop people from commenting which can affect the case(s).

Also, sometimes the paper just cant be arsed dealing with the online shitstorm of comments and moderation, so just easier to lock it for comments

But there is no legal case against HW. So no need to embargo. He hasn't even been spoken to yet afaik.

But there is no legal case against HW

He's been accused of several attacks. You can't legally comment and speculate on any current cases by law. Any speculation on such things could jeopardise any future court case.
In other words, nothing to do with gender bias like some are suggesting.

How has this thread been allowed to become about Weinstein?! Great derailing...

How has this thread been allowed to become about Weinstein?! Great derailing..

Quite

Larry, bring it back then. Here's a specific question from the OP:

Why does a man join a predominantly female forum to then point out that they're not being treated like a woman? Or....just sit and watch as the women do it for them?

Yes, you see it as a parenting forum. But this thread isn't about parenting and you've posted a lot on here. What led you to this thread?

There are very few threads on the front page of aibu about actual parenting

The thread itself may not be about parenting issues, but as a Dad you're automatically a parent too.
Therefore, by just in the act of posting on here, you are engaging with other parents.
Some come here for support, may be a SAHD or something wanting other parents input.