Is there a similar forum to MN for men? And if not, why not?

[Multidimensionalbeing]

Because I think there should be.

I don't hate men though it will probably be suggested. I really don't. And I think the forum should be open to anyone who wants to use it for advice.

But....It's becoming increasingly strange around here. We've always had the 'what about the menz?' posters derailing threads talking about the harrassment or abuse of women by pointing out that women do it too..... Though it seems worse recently.

But now it seems that so many threads descend into accusations that men are treated differently on MN and often they are. But surely that's because it has a predominantly female membership? Who will see things from the female perspective?

It seems to me that it's causing division and bun-fighting among posters when I genuinely don't understand why there isn't a similar forum available for men?

Why not?

Why does a man join a predominantly female forum to then point out that they're not being treated like a woman? Or....just sit and watch as the women do it for them?

If there is no where else for them on-line then why not?

I'm sure it's possible.

Tbh though I don't know I have just seen them on websites before and they say it is to prove identity. Maybe it was just age though, I've not seen it for years, thought it maybe possible.

dadsnet is just the name of a MN topic, If I post on it I am still posting on MN. Which seems to be what some here don't want

Ah, so your whole point was to correct me because I said 'forum' instead of 'topic'?

Trueheart1

and yet the opposite could be said to be true as well.

Pumperthepumper

No, my point was that we are still posting on mumsnet.

‘Lived experience’ generally only seems to be a ‘thing’ for women whereas the analysis of men’s motivations is a free-for-all.

Interesting Larry - if this is what you believe then I'd love to hear your motivation for posting on a sight you know to be predominantly female. This sounds awfully like you feel you need to stick up for men.

No, my point was that we are still posting on mumsnet

And my point was men have the opportunity to have their own topic (there you go) on here and choose not to use it. Why is that?

Pumped,

And the women on this parenting site for parents of both sexes but, nonetheless, don’t like men posting, have the opportunity to set up their own female-only site. But they don’t,; why is that?

And the women on this parenting site for parents of both sexes but, nonetheless, don’t like men posting, have the opportunity to set up their own female-only site. But they don’t,; why is that?

Larry, I do actually have an answer for that but I really would prefer if you answered my question first.

Pumperthepumper

I can't answer for "all men" but for myself its because it is a site that welcomes men.

As for their own topic, the thread is about men posting on MN, if I post on dadsnet or AIBU, it is still posting on MN.

I really don’t get this ‘predominantly female’ argument. MN is a site which welcomes all equally. There are no second class posters

Should women doing engineering degrees not do them or, worse, feel that their input is less valid because they are doing a ‘predominantly male’ degree? Well I certainly hope not.

Sex imbalances should not be considered a good thing (except in a few specific areas). Parenting certainly is not one of them.

I think partly it's so quiet as numerically there are so few males posting on MN generally and dn also goes largely unnoticed by all. There is no momentum generated as a consequence.

Or we are all interpersonal knuckle draggers and need females to guide us.

Plenty of forums for men. They just usually involve football teams or some other sport.

Can you seriously see men debating some of the stuff debated on here?

AIBU to have a slice of cake?

No. Me neither....

I totally disagree,many non birth mums meed even more supporters

‘Lived experience’ generally only seems to be a ‘thing’ for women whereas the analysis of men’s motivations is a free-for-all

Interesting Larry - if this is what you believe then I'd love to hear your motivation for posting on a sight you know to be predominantly female. This sounds awfully like you feel you need to stick up for men.

Larry, if you think women believe that 'lived experiences' are a women only thing, why do you feel the need to stick up for men?

Pumper,

I genuinely don’t understand your point that you have made twice.

My point was about double standards.

I don’t think anyone should disparage an entire sex. I don’t buy this class analysis stuff. I believe everyone should treat one another respectfully. I have read and understand the counteratgument, I just disagree with it.

And you will say I don’t understand...repeat, ad infinitum.

Has anyone fought to get giant duvet cover discovered inside out and thought f** kt.

I don't think this opinion is very popular but I wish mumsnet was female only.
There are a few male posters that add something to threads but mostly when I can tell it's a man posting it's not in a good way.

Larry, I really don't know how much clearer I can make this:

Larry, if you think women believe that 'lived experiences' are a women only thing, why do you feel the need to stick up for men?

I have never said you don't understand, I think you understand fine. 'Average woman' is much more likely to suffer under the hands of MEN than 'average man'. So 'lived experiences' absolutely ARE a thing for women. And we don't know men's motivations. It is bizarre to me that people would know this fact and still think average man is getting the worst deal.

It’s all very well men shrugging their shoulders and saying “no one should discriminate against any sex, that’s equality y’all” when that person is part of a class of people who, in the U.K. alone -

Rape 85,000 women a year
Sexually assault 1 in 5 women
Kill 2 women a week
Abuse 1 in 4 women
Commit 96% of violent and sexually violent crimes

Rather than moaning about double standards, how about being part of the solution to change the above to make these numbers much lower? And you can talk about equality when female-on-male crimes even closely match male-on-female crimes.

Mumsnet 'by parents for parents' should stay that and be 'content' to accept views from anyone. The issue is to find a 'best' solution to whatever is an issue (getting duvet covers on or whatever) NOT the sex of the person suggesting it.
The 'sensitive' issues of abuse etc should not feature heavily on MN, or at least mentions and suggestions rather than in depth analysis with perhaps links to another area or site which can deal with these issues. Discussing rape or abuse is NOT really part of being a MOTHER unless you are one of the unfortunate people who has conceived under such circumstances. A worldwide 'seen by everyone' forum is not the place to get real in depth support. Really the internet is NOT the place to be putting ANY hard facts about yourself unless you are happy broadcasting all your intimate problems to the world. This is not a 'fault' of the internet or MN.

@CherryChasing.
If a man does NONE of your list already, how can he as an individual improve and do it less?

Dadsnet is pretty dead so is gransnet. Pp don’t want to be herded into one corner, they read and post based on their interests and I think that’s a good thing.

Some subforums such as property, sport etc definitely have a greater presence and IMO the influx of ‘menz’ to AIBU is due to the goady titles like this one.

I don't think this opinion is very popular but I wish mumsnet was female only.
There are a few male posters that add something to threads but mostly when I can tell it's a man posting it's not in a good way.

I agree with this ^. If I wanted to talk with other men I'd go to Digital Spy (and I do, sometimes). But I get men's perspectives shoved down my throat nearly every time I switch on the TV or read the news. I don't feel like we should have to explain why we want a place away from men without being accused of man-hating. I don't hate men. I just prefer discussing things with other women. And from what I have seen the men on here don't add anything except for infuriating boring on about how men get abused too and how women should take responsibility for men raping them.

outabout

You’re wrong about getting support, people can and should use this forum how they wish and many people do draw strength from sharing their story.

Also, it’s up to men to figure out how to stop men raping women, how about asking a bloke how he’s going to solve it?

It can prove your identity and so I assume that includes what gender you are as registered with your bank.

Well, there's one glaring fault there already - what's to stop a man inputting his wife's/girlfriends card details instead?!
Putting card details in doesn't mean it automatically proves you're female and therefore allowed on the site.