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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

...to be bloody annoyed that my family ruined my honeymoon?

245 replies

sparkleshine83 · 21/10/2017 22:09

It’s been long enough now that the edge of my annoyance has worn off such that I’m not actually furious furious about it and I wanted to find out what people thought of events and maybe get some insight from an outside perspective. And yes, that’s honeymoon, not wedding… so, bring your popcorn and your tuppence! Wink I don’t normally post much – I’m a bit of a lurker and went offsite for a while as part of a Mumsnet FB group, but I wanted to get a more general (and anonymous) response than from the guys in the group. So...

I recently got married after 14 years with DH, for a combination of tax reasons and because DH’s grandparents really were pushing the ‘we’re old and want to see him settled down(!), it’s important now there’s a baby for stability’ motif.

Our joint income is higher than everyone else’s on my side of the family – my family is working class, his is middle class. Because my side of the family have no money, every event is penny-pinching and causes stress and money worries for everyone. I wanted to alleviate everyone’s worries (more on this in a bit), so I (we) paid for more or less everything. We paid for the hen night. We paid for all the bridesmaid’s dresses etc. And we paid for a honeymoon which, rather than a romantic getaway, was a chance to get the relations on my side of the family who might otherwise not have been able to have a holiday in the summer out to Cornwall. I asked folks if they would like to go, they said yes.

The wedding was fantastic. Okay, there were a few minor issues, DH’s grandfather getting drunk and hypercritical, my sisters backed out of singing at the last moment and they could not manage to get their act together about shoes in time (that I was paying for, so it wasn’t money that was the issue) so we ended up having a last minute stress about that, but all in all nothing that you couldn’t expect as normal levels of issues from a wedding and it was a really wonderful day.

On the honeymoon, we started off heading up in a minibus and a flaming row broke out between my dad’s girlfriend, let’s call her F, and my youngest sister S at a service station. In retrospect having heard what happened I suspect that it was a combination of miscommunication, F being anxious and nervous and S being easily wounded and unable to forgive but more or less F at fault. F was having a go at S whilst S was holding the hand of her (and my) 3-year-old niece. My DH walked said niece back to the minibus. I spoke to them, not taking sides, but just said, “Please can we not fight?” F turned round and told me to go away, before I had a chance to react (in disbelief) S said she wanted to go home now and F, not to be outdone, declared she wanted to go home as well. I walked off and went back to the minibus, explained to folks what was going on and my dad went out to referee.

Eventually they came back and I was told it had all been ‘sorted out’. Great, I’m thinking, a hiccup and then we can get on with having a great time. My family are usually very close-knit and can be very supportive and loving, and I had this (highly unrealistic) fantasy that everyone would have fun on the beach, be happy and have a great time.

We get to the campsite (it’s a Tuesday). There are two lodges, the ‘honeymoon’ one and a normal one, both three bed sleep six. I have said already I don’t mind who is where but I would like to go in the honeymoon one. There is my dad and F, my mum, my sister M, my brother in law J and their two kids (the nieces), me, DH, our baby, my sister S, my sister B and two dogs. Only the non-honeymoon lodge takes dogs.

First off my brother-in-law J and B have a row whilst unpacking bags at the non-honeymoon lodge. B said he was sharp with her, M agrees he can be very cutting and rude but that he had reason to be irritable due to the stress of the journey and the fact that S was suddenly thrust on them as an unexpected guest. She refuses to stay in the same lodge as F (despite it being ‘all resolved’), and he feels it is overcrowded (and doesn’t deal well with the unexpected anyway). F is now with me, DH, my dad and the baby. No one has asked me if I’m happy on my honeymoon to stay with the woman who told be to go away on the honeymoon I paid for, but I’m like, okay whatever, I just want peace. I’m also really astounded that B has burst into tears over a tone of voice, but, okay, it’s been a long journey, people are stressed etc etc and I love them both and assume it will all resolve come morning. There are now 7 in the six-berth lodge with S sleeping on the sofa. B can’t come up to our lodge because her dog will panic without her so she has to stay at the dogs-allowed lodge. My mother can’t be in the same lodge as F because this would be weird and awkward, and M&J and the nieces don’t want to move as they say they don’t want a clash between our routine and ours – basically our baby wakes and wakes their kids up, their kids keep our baby up etc (reasonable enough). F apologises to me that evening.

Day two dawns. B and S are withdrawing from everyone due to the stress. We decide to leave the drama and go enjoy ourselves at the beach. Day three we go off to the Eden Project with dad, F, M&J and the nieces. We hear that B is chaperoning S who is still upset about F’s behaviour and wants to avoid her. B and S have been rowing with J. M has been just trying to keep her head down and keep her kids happy and having fun. My mother is honestly veering between stressed and enjoying the drama. She wants to ‘have it out’ with F for upsetting her baby daughter and says she only hasn’t to avoid further stress.

Now at this point, it is Thursday and we have only two days left as we will be travelling back on the Sunday. DH and I haven’t had any alone time yet at this point. I had stupidly assumed that it wouldn’t be that difficult to snatch an hour or two with so many adults about to babysit but this hasn’t happened at all. My dad and F are in the same lodge with us so can’t look after her there – they’d need to head out for a bit to give us time as well. My mother is out of the picture as she was an abusive and violent parent. She’s improved now, I’ve mended my relationship with her and forgiven her but DH is absolutely not willing to risk that she might hurt our baby. I don’t agree with his assessment of the risk that she would – she only hit older kids, not babies, and I really don’t think she would dare try it now – but I 100% support him and agree he has every right to be uncomfortable about it all. M has her own girls to look after.

As we come back after the Eden Project S volunteers to babysit tomorrow (Friday) evening with B. We haven’t actually asked anyone, not wanting anyone to feel like their presence here has to be paid for by babysitting or anything. I’m really grateful and thankful and ask her more than once if she’s sure this is okay. So I’m working myself up, really looking forward to it and all and then my dad comes into the lodge and whilst we’re chatting, cooking lunch he mentions that B and S are ‘going to the pub tonight’.

Now I’m really ped off. I’m only a little ped off that they’ve cancelled – I know that S is stressed and miserable as she feels that F’s behaviour triggered her and reminded her of when we were kids and mum was abusive. I know that B has been looking after her, missing out on fun to try to keep S going and upset at her altercations with J. But I am absolutely sodding furious that I found out like that via dad and that they didn’t even have the decency to ask me if it was okay to cancel or even tell me that they were and why. Not once does it seem to have occurred to them that this is meant to be my honeymoon. I assume they’re thinking it isn’t really ‘special’ to me as it was never my ‘dream’ to be married in the same way as some. But I had felt it was a bit special and I had hoped to come away with positive memories of an expensive holiday I paid for which was in part to celebrate our wedding.

So I’m furious, and text B asking if they’re still ok to babysit as I can see what is coming. The answer is no, ‘maybe tomorrow’ as they want to go to the bar today to de-stress. I am furious, again not with the idea of waiting until tomorrow per se, but the sheer thoughtlessness of their actions. That they just decided and went ahead with with their own plans without consulting or informing me. That they don’t think that after all the feuding, which I haven’t been responsible for, on what is meant to be a special-ish occasion I might also need this time out. There’s also the fact that there’s supposed to be a long trip planned tomorrow as it’s the younger niece’s birthday, and I’m under the impression that we would all be tired afterwards. And that given how flakey they are we’d be ditched again.

B is saying how it was a favour, she assumed it was flexible and she ‘didn’t remember that we’d decided a day for definite’ (we did). She’s blaming me for not giving much notice (again, they bloody volunteered) and says it’s my fault things have gone badly for bringing my family on holiday.

She then tells mum she has a migraine which is why she can’t make the babysitting, but apparently this is not enough of a migraine to not go to the pub…

So I end up in tears wildly texting my outrage on the beach whilst supposed to be having a good time. My dad at least apologises (daft given that he’s been least troublesome) and says that he does think we need a break. We’re talking about whether I could hire a babysitter, I have no idea where to take the baby and honestly wouldn’t feel comfortable about just taking her somewhere local I don’t know. We talk about going to a hotel, but I’m honestly not sure we can afford it given how much money we’ve put into this already. Eventually M comes to the rescue and volunteers. (She then hands the baby off to my mother, but that’s a whole other story).

The alone time is full of stress from the prior events, but at least we’re together. Saturday comes and S and B flat out refuse to come on the birthday trip for their two-year-old niece, which I honestly think is a bit awful – I didn’t refuse on the basis that they might show up – but I’ve kind of given up at this point. I’d hoped that the niece would have a wonderful birthday on holiday, but it ends up being a bit of a wash-out and M agrees that she did not have the day she deserves.

We get back home.

B ditches on her regular babysitting for me on Mondays starting as of that Monday morning, which gets me into trouble at work.

There is a long row on FB messenger. S and I thrash it out. I’m not entirely happy with everything she has said (mostly her insistence that a honeymoon is no more or less special than a holiday) but she apologised, explained she had been having issues with F for a while (she’s the youngest and they’re both fighting for dad’s attention). We agreed to take some time out for a bit and then be okay again. Everyone else has had a go about everyone else – to me – but no one else wants to actually raise the issues they have with one another in person.

B has basically refused to speak to me since. S has kindly stepped in with the babysitting.

In hindsight, yes, I should have spent the money on just me and DH. I don’t think it was my fault that the feuding happened exactly, but those times when family gel and are happy together just can’t be created on demand. That and B & S were not in the slightest bit grateful, as far as I can tell. I can only assume that they think that since we have more money than them, it didn’t cost us at all. We have a mortgage, we have our own costs etc etc.

We’ve had various family events since, and somehow, despite my saying I’m not okay with it, it has all ended up swept under the carpet again. People have issues with people but they’re never resolved and just keep cropping back up as b**ing behind people’s backs.

In hindsight again, I’ve spent far too long in my life wanting to fix my broken family (both in the sense of dysfunctional and in the sense of individuals struggling with depression). From the early years when my mother was abusive, I had this idea in my head that if I could somehow be good enough and do the right things everyone would be happy again. I have since realised, harsh as it is, that I cannot be responsible for making my family happy. I can’t actually fix people – they have to do that themselves. Even when we didn’t have a good income we were always ‘loaning’ people money which we never got back and I’ve been feeling for a while now that, whilst they do put stuff into the relationship, it’s all very, very one-sided.

It’s going to be my birthday soon, and I am seriously thinking of telling people that I don’t want any presents, only a family meeting where people thrash out their issues. I certainly don’t want a birthday where I pretend everything is okay. (On a side note I’ve been asked to organise a Halloween event because mine is the only house that’s free.)

I am also still really bloody annoyed that somehow, despite us paying for the holiday, despite her ditching on pre-agreed babysitting and making plans without even thinking about how we'd feel, B still thinks that I am in the wrong.

AIBU? And what do I do?

OP posts:
buckeejit · 23/10/2017 19:50

Just because you've paid for it doesn't mean lots of close people are going to get along just fine with no issues in a confined space outside their normal routine.

most of what happened seems minor in isolation so just try to put it in a box & move on. Big gatherings are full of expectations of happy memories being made but they're just too stressy.

You need something that everyone can contribute to-bring a dish each to a community centre type thing for a few hours rather than something too big.

Congrats on the wedding!

buckeejit · 23/10/2017 19:51

Oh yes and YABU!

MammaTJ · 23/10/2017 19:53

You ruined your honeymoon by inviting so many people on it.

Were you scared you and DH could not cope without them?

LegallyBrunet · 23/10/2017 20:07

If I were you OP, I'd chalk this one up to experience, take a massive step back from your family and go away somewhere romantic with your husband and baby for your birthday

browneyes77 · 23/10/2017 20:22

I took the time to read your whole OP. (I am also a talkative person so understand how hard it is to give people the short version of events - plus that’s not always possible when a lot has happened and you may need to give backstory etc!).

Firstly - I think you already know from the replies that you were mad to take your family away on your honeymoon in the first place. I understand your reasons for it, but at the end of the day the point of a honeymoon is for you and your partner to spend quality time together as a newly wed couple. You can’t do that with family there.

Secondly I would ABSOLUTELY NOT use your birthday as a family hash out session. They’ve already ruined your holiday, why would you allow them to ruin your birthday as well? Do you honestly think they’ll all get their grievances out and make friends and it’ll be happily ever after? No, me neither. It’s a waste of time and as they are all adults, they should sort their differences out themselves. It’s called being a grown up. You can’t force the issue, they have to deal with it themselves.

Book yourself a proper honeymoon and spend some quality time with your DH.
Tell your family you won’t be hosting the Halloween party and keep their drama out of your home
Book somewhere nice for your birthday that’s stress free (maybe a spa day & meal?)
And focus on you, your DH and your DC and let the family sort it out between themselves. Take care of your little family first and foremost.

Munchkinbug · 23/10/2017 20:26

Jeez, people - remember you are still "speaking" to a real person! If you can't be arsed reading it, don't comment - MOVE ON!

OP, I think your idea was lovely. Despite the typical honeymoon involving only the couple (and sometimes their children), it was a celebration of your marriage, paid for by you and your husband. I wish the peanut gallery would keep this mind, instead of fixating on "it's not a honeymoon!".

At the end of the day, you informed everyone what your offer entailed - two lodges, and who was invited. Everything else is secondary. If the adults can't stand to be around each other, they should have said that before agreeing. It was their choice to go. They are adults, and they must answer for their own behaviour. They were thoughtless, and entitled, and you are within your rights to be annoyed with them.

I wouldn't try to fix things, though. Unless people are willing to sort out their own issues, you'll only end up making it worse. All you can do is state your feelings from your perspective, be mindful of issues they have, and take it from there. If they don't seem to give a shit about how they made you feel, then don't put yourself in the position of being hurt again.

I'm sorry you had a crappy time of it. I like the idea that you perhaps save up and go on a holiday with just the three of you, and consider that your honeymoon instead (if you really, really want a "honeymoon", that is).

I got married in similar circumstances to yours, by the sounds of it. My boss paid for my and my new husband to spend the night in a hotel when he heard that my mum was planning to spend the wedding night at our house! In the room right next to ours!! I know it wasn't a full-blown white wedding, but come on mum, it's still our wedding night!! Blush

All the best Flowers

Dianag111 · 23/10/2017 20:32

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Kailoer · 23/10/2017 20:48

wow op.

Step back.

Leave them to it.

Concentrate your energy into your DH and children

there's enough drama in life without inviting in more without a good reason. your honeymoon was only going to go one way with what is (essentially) a fairly broken sounding family dynamic (sorry).

you're obviously used to being the fixer, the mender, the person who tries to build bridges. tell me, how has playing that role in this dynamic gone over the years? would you say you've fixed them yet? would you say you're appreciated? would you say you think it's a good trade (your time, cost of energy taken away from your own family)?

if you think it's not something that makes a good trade, or has any hope of changing them.. do the only thing you can do. change yourself. change your reaction to them.

step away quietly.

don't ruin your own birthday or halloween with their time wasting dysfunction.

BlueMnMsmmm · 23/10/2017 21:01

Nothing that hasn't been said before but dear God... Much as you love your family, you should just distance yourself from all the drama and focus on your own family. Absolutely no point having a family discussion - these things can't be forcibly resolved.

BernardBlacksHangover · 23/10/2017 21:14

It sounds hellish for everyone if I'm honest, not just you. I think it was a terrible idea to suggest everyone go on holiday together, (based on personalities and their history), and really silly of them to accept too.

Ugh staying in the same house as my whole family including dogs and children sounds utterly dreadful to me (and none of mine were abusive / it isn't a blended family or anything).

Lesson learnt by you I'm sure op! Your family do sound very hard work, but I think you made a massive error in judgement. So YAB a little U to lay all the blame at their door.

Fwiw, my in-laws insisted recently on a big, family holiday. It was for my PILs' big birthday, we had loads of notice and felt we couldn't refuse as they'd asked and it was their big day. Everyone was staying in the same house in the arse end of nowhere. I don't get on all that brilliantly with sil and her husband, (though there's no actual bad blood - we just aren't best mates and don't really enjoy each other's company). Anyway, I slightly dreaded going and had a miserable time while there, (nowhere near as dramatic as yours though - no arguments or anything). But tbh it's put me off spending ANY time with some of my in-laws. I think my tolerance for some people is finite. It all got used up in one go on the holiday, so now I don't think I'll actually want to spend any more time with them for a loooooong time. I'll never agree to a big family holiday with them again.

bigfatbumfreak · 23/10/2017 21:29

Yes, i gave up when you invited your family on your honeymoon.....thats weird. You must know what they are like, cant have been unexpected.

Bit odd really.

kittensinmydinner1 · 23/10/2017 22:12

Are people really so bloody hopeless at basic English comprehension that they are incapable of reading 25 paragraphs. ? Then making pertinent comments ? Really ?

If you are incapable of reading anything beyond 140 characters then move to another thread. It’s simple - this is someone’s genuine problem - to dismiss it because you either can’t or don’t wish to read a long post is just really fucking rude and ignorant.

OP. - you tried to do the right thing. Your unmarried sisters are fairly selfish fuckers. Your mother - no words - I wouldn’t have had her there.
Don’t try and fix selfish people.
See your Dad. He sounds great.
Ask DH family to look after baby and go on a bloody honeymoon.

Your DH deserves it along with a sainthood !

BakedBeans47 · 23/10/2017 22:35

God what a nightmare

I agree with everyone who has said to take a step back and leave them all to it. Take yourself and your DH and baby off for a nice trip somewhere lovely. The honeymoon you should have had without that lot ruining it

thecatsarecrazy · 23/10/2017 22:35

Tldr

avidlounger · 23/10/2017 22:51

Hi

I've read the whole thing and what stood out to me is similar to what others have said - trying to change the unchangeable and accepting abusive behaviour in other formats. As a person who has experienced abuse, speaking to another, it's common when we repeat patterns of abusive relations when we don't know any different and we don't see them as abusive. We think we can fix things, we feel guilty for others and we keep reaching out to them no matter how many times are hands are burned. Verbal abuse, manipulative behaviour and control are still abuses and we don't see them (either we've got used to it and think it's normal or we've had it worse so we put up with the 'less bad').

Your post is long and makes me think of everything spilling out because it has nowhere else to go. It makes me wonder who is there for you. Yes, you have a patient DH but is he really telling you what he thinks - or does he know it doesn't change anything, so has stopped trying? I'm having a guess that if he can be pressured by grandparents into doing something he wasn't planning on doing then perhaps he has experienced his own challenging relationships where he is pushed (a guess) so perhaps "the quiet life" is how he has survived and this isn't unusual for him to do here as well. The other thing - where are your friends? I do hope you have some - I'm just wondering, because I don't know why they havent featured in the story to tell you that this honeymoon might not work - have they stopped trying to tell you something that is painful for you to see or have they backed off a bit knowing you would keep on trying to help your family? I know my friends would tell me - but when I was in an abusive situation, they could only tell me so much til they got fed up of me not listening. I'd hope that some good friends would help you see you needing to value you/ your time and not put wider family first.

We hand relational patterns down to the next generation and I urge you to think carefully for your child and future children. They watch what goes on and they learn from it. They repeat it, because we are repeating it too. This isn't a guilt trip but a reality - otherwise why do families continue dysfunctional behaviour? As others have said - break the cycle and focus on your home. Your wider family will rail and wail about the change - because we all would when we got something for nothing or if what we had control over before has broke free - but they'll adjust as long as your boundaries are strong. But.... it's not easy to do alone. Therapy is important and recommended before my post. I recommend it also - not 6 weeks of CBT or anything - something longer to help you explore the depths. Psychotherapy, counselling, etc. It's not cheap but as I learned, it is the best self investment and the best 30 quid I spent all week. It helped me unpick my abusive patterns with my parents, people pleasing, constant approval seeking ... the lot. The hard part is looking in the mirror of self awareness. It is painful and worth it. Your behaviour and theirs is largely unconscious patterns of relating which is why the sit downs and family chats don't work - no one is in a place to admit all their imperfections and contribution to the situation.

Therapy won't change your family but it will change how you relate to them. They'll adjust to this and things will improve - or they won't, and your boundaries will be in place to protect you from any negative feeling that you're not fulfilling their idea of your role. And maybe, the unconditional, positive regard of another, (who knows only you), and the relationship with this other, will show you how to value something you will only ever have one of - you.

GreatStar · 23/10/2017 22:55

Avidlounger .... the length of your reply. Honestly killed over here

GreatStar · 23/10/2017 22:57

Sorry Avid, not just yours.. I see a lot of the replies are long. This thread actually hurts my eyes !

BakedBeans47 · 23/10/2017 22:58

Your family have NO respect for you and are so self absorbed in all this that they will hand a baby to an abuser, against the wish of the parent, to pursue their own drama.

And 100% this

mumtoanangel · 23/10/2017 23:06

Would not have a Halloween party for them all.no way

kittensinmydinner1 · 23/10/2017 23:13

Wow greatstar that was really helpful. If you can’t read whole paragraphs move on to an ‘easier’ thread. There’s a word association one going. It’s one word. More your thing. Rather than insult people who have taken the time to write thoughtful replies.

avidlounger · 23/10/2017 23:15

Greatstar

Has to be lengthy to be kind - get therapy and fuck off everyone else is punchy although not always helpful ;)

treacletoffee23 · 23/10/2017 23:16

Well said Avid

Restlessandwild · 23/10/2017 23:37

Agree with both avidlounger and kitten. Good luck OP!

manicmij · 24/10/2017 00:06

Basically you were mad to think this holiday would work. Why didn't you just book a couple of lodges for the family and you and DH go somewhere else? Could have been still in area but not on same site.
Leave them all to it and get on with your own life.

MumsTheWordYouKnow · 24/10/2017 07:37

Sorry, but far too much detail about what sounds like bickering, so didn’t follow it all.

From what you say it’s hardly surprising it ended up like that. If that’s how they normally I don’t think in some ways you are probably entirely surprised. Also sharing a lodge instead of having your own if you were taking them all was a mistake. If they aren’t well off and don’t go on holiday normally I guess this was their holiday too and you should have arranged some time away just the two of you.

Anyway, moving on you can’t change people. You got out of the situation of your family by being with someone like your husband. You’re obviously different from the rest of your family or want to be. Keep some boundaries and distance, there’s no need to feel guilty about being better off and feel you need to try to help them all. Taking them on your honeymoon was a crazy idea especially as you didn’t have your own lodge, and to waste all that money and feel like that at the end says it all. It was an error of judgement, they were rude and didn’t appreciate your efforts, however that might be due to how they are they don’t make efforts for special things as it’s perhaps not on their radar and enjoy drama instead and are quite rude and selfish as a result. I can’t believe one of them couldn’t baby sit for one evening like your dad and GF. Perhaps that should have been pre-arranged.

However, you’ve tried now so perhaps you should leave it. You don’t need a family meeting to spoil your birthday. You can’t fix everything you need to accept how they are. To be honest the drama just sounds exhausting and not worth engaging with. It certainly doesn’t need sorting out by you. It also sounds like that’s how they communicate and does perhaps just blow over rather than get swept under the carpet so don’t worry and if there are some problems let the ones involved sort it out it’s not your responsibility. You have good intentions, but you’re taking too much on and too personally and wanting to change them. That won’t happen. You need to start by accepting the way they are. If your mother was abusive it sounds like she needs a wide berth.