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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

...to be bloody annoyed that my family ruined my honeymoon?

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sparkleshine83 · 21/10/2017 22:09

It’s been long enough now that the edge of my annoyance has worn off such that I’m not actually furious furious about it and I wanted to find out what people thought of events and maybe get some insight from an outside perspective. And yes, that’s honeymoon, not wedding… so, bring your popcorn and your tuppence! Wink I don’t normally post much – I’m a bit of a lurker and went offsite for a while as part of a Mumsnet FB group, but I wanted to get a more general (and anonymous) response than from the guys in the group. So...

I recently got married after 14 years with DH, for a combination of tax reasons and because DH’s grandparents really were pushing the ‘we’re old and want to see him settled down(!), it’s important now there’s a baby for stability’ motif.

Our joint income is higher than everyone else’s on my side of the family – my family is working class, his is middle class. Because my side of the family have no money, every event is penny-pinching and causes stress and money worries for everyone. I wanted to alleviate everyone’s worries (more on this in a bit), so I (we) paid for more or less everything. We paid for the hen night. We paid for all the bridesmaid’s dresses etc. And we paid for a honeymoon which, rather than a romantic getaway, was a chance to get the relations on my side of the family who might otherwise not have been able to have a holiday in the summer out to Cornwall. I asked folks if they would like to go, they said yes.

The wedding was fantastic. Okay, there were a few minor issues, DH’s grandfather getting drunk and hypercritical, my sisters backed out of singing at the last moment and they could not manage to get their act together about shoes in time (that I was paying for, so it wasn’t money that was the issue) so we ended up having a last minute stress about that, but all in all nothing that you couldn’t expect as normal levels of issues from a wedding and it was a really wonderful day.

On the honeymoon, we started off heading up in a minibus and a flaming row broke out between my dad’s girlfriend, let’s call her F, and my youngest sister S at a service station. In retrospect having heard what happened I suspect that it was a combination of miscommunication, F being anxious and nervous and S being easily wounded and unable to forgive but more or less F at fault. F was having a go at S whilst S was holding the hand of her (and my) 3-year-old niece. My DH walked said niece back to the minibus. I spoke to them, not taking sides, but just said, “Please can we not fight?” F turned round and told me to go away, before I had a chance to react (in disbelief) S said she wanted to go home now and F, not to be outdone, declared she wanted to go home as well. I walked off and went back to the minibus, explained to folks what was going on and my dad went out to referee.

Eventually they came back and I was told it had all been ‘sorted out’. Great, I’m thinking, a hiccup and then we can get on with having a great time. My family are usually very close-knit and can be very supportive and loving, and I had this (highly unrealistic) fantasy that everyone would have fun on the beach, be happy and have a great time.

We get to the campsite (it’s a Tuesday). There are two lodges, the ‘honeymoon’ one and a normal one, both three bed sleep six. I have said already I don’t mind who is where but I would like to go in the honeymoon one. There is my dad and F, my mum, my sister M, my brother in law J and their two kids (the nieces), me, DH, our baby, my sister S, my sister B and two dogs. Only the non-honeymoon lodge takes dogs.

First off my brother-in-law J and B have a row whilst unpacking bags at the non-honeymoon lodge. B said he was sharp with her, M agrees he can be very cutting and rude but that he had reason to be irritable due to the stress of the journey and the fact that S was suddenly thrust on them as an unexpected guest. She refuses to stay in the same lodge as F (despite it being ‘all resolved’), and he feels it is overcrowded (and doesn’t deal well with the unexpected anyway). F is now with me, DH, my dad and the baby. No one has asked me if I’m happy on my honeymoon to stay with the woman who told be to go away on the honeymoon I paid for, but I’m like, okay whatever, I just want peace. I’m also really astounded that B has burst into tears over a tone of voice, but, okay, it’s been a long journey, people are stressed etc etc and I love them both and assume it will all resolve come morning. There are now 7 in the six-berth lodge with S sleeping on the sofa. B can’t come up to our lodge because her dog will panic without her so she has to stay at the dogs-allowed lodge. My mother can’t be in the same lodge as F because this would be weird and awkward, and M&J and the nieces don’t want to move as they say they don’t want a clash between our routine and ours – basically our baby wakes and wakes their kids up, their kids keep our baby up etc (reasonable enough). F apologises to me that evening.

Day two dawns. B and S are withdrawing from everyone due to the stress. We decide to leave the drama and go enjoy ourselves at the beach. Day three we go off to the Eden Project with dad, F, M&J and the nieces. We hear that B is chaperoning S who is still upset about F’s behaviour and wants to avoid her. B and S have been rowing with J. M has been just trying to keep her head down and keep her kids happy and having fun. My mother is honestly veering between stressed and enjoying the drama. She wants to ‘have it out’ with F for upsetting her baby daughter and says she only hasn’t to avoid further stress.

Now at this point, it is Thursday and we have only two days left as we will be travelling back on the Sunday. DH and I haven’t had any alone time yet at this point. I had stupidly assumed that it wouldn’t be that difficult to snatch an hour or two with so many adults about to babysit but this hasn’t happened at all. My dad and F are in the same lodge with us so can’t look after her there – they’d need to head out for a bit to give us time as well. My mother is out of the picture as she was an abusive and violent parent. She’s improved now, I’ve mended my relationship with her and forgiven her but DH is absolutely not willing to risk that she might hurt our baby. I don’t agree with his assessment of the risk that she would – she only hit older kids, not babies, and I really don’t think she would dare try it now – but I 100% support him and agree he has every right to be uncomfortable about it all. M has her own girls to look after.

As we come back after the Eden Project S volunteers to babysit tomorrow (Friday) evening with B. We haven’t actually asked anyone, not wanting anyone to feel like their presence here has to be paid for by babysitting or anything. I’m really grateful and thankful and ask her more than once if she’s sure this is okay. So I’m working myself up, really looking forward to it and all and then my dad comes into the lodge and whilst we’re chatting, cooking lunch he mentions that B and S are ‘going to the pub tonight’.

Now I’m really ped off. I’m only a little ped off that they’ve cancelled – I know that S is stressed and miserable as she feels that F’s behaviour triggered her and reminded her of when we were kids and mum was abusive. I know that B has been looking after her, missing out on fun to try to keep S going and upset at her altercations with J. But I am absolutely sodding furious that I found out like that via dad and that they didn’t even have the decency to ask me if it was okay to cancel or even tell me that they were and why. Not once does it seem to have occurred to them that this is meant to be my honeymoon. I assume they’re thinking it isn’t really ‘special’ to me as it was never my ‘dream’ to be married in the same way as some. But I had felt it was a bit special and I had hoped to come away with positive memories of an expensive holiday I paid for which was in part to celebrate our wedding.

So I’m furious, and text B asking if they’re still ok to babysit as I can see what is coming. The answer is no, ‘maybe tomorrow’ as they want to go to the bar today to de-stress. I am furious, again not with the idea of waiting until tomorrow per se, but the sheer thoughtlessness of their actions. That they just decided and went ahead with with their own plans without consulting or informing me. That they don’t think that after all the feuding, which I haven’t been responsible for, on what is meant to be a special-ish occasion I might also need this time out. There’s also the fact that there’s supposed to be a long trip planned tomorrow as it’s the younger niece’s birthday, and I’m under the impression that we would all be tired afterwards. And that given how flakey they are we’d be ditched again.

B is saying how it was a favour, she assumed it was flexible and she ‘didn’t remember that we’d decided a day for definite’ (we did). She’s blaming me for not giving much notice (again, they bloody volunteered) and says it’s my fault things have gone badly for bringing my family on holiday.

She then tells mum she has a migraine which is why she can’t make the babysitting, but apparently this is not enough of a migraine to not go to the pub…

So I end up in tears wildly texting my outrage on the beach whilst supposed to be having a good time. My dad at least apologises (daft given that he’s been least troublesome) and says that he does think we need a break. We’re talking about whether I could hire a babysitter, I have no idea where to take the baby and honestly wouldn’t feel comfortable about just taking her somewhere local I don’t know. We talk about going to a hotel, but I’m honestly not sure we can afford it given how much money we’ve put into this already. Eventually M comes to the rescue and volunteers. (She then hands the baby off to my mother, but that’s a whole other story).

The alone time is full of stress from the prior events, but at least we’re together. Saturday comes and S and B flat out refuse to come on the birthday trip for their two-year-old niece, which I honestly think is a bit awful – I didn’t refuse on the basis that they might show up – but I’ve kind of given up at this point. I’d hoped that the niece would have a wonderful birthday on holiday, but it ends up being a bit of a wash-out and M agrees that she did not have the day she deserves.

We get back home.

B ditches on her regular babysitting for me on Mondays starting as of that Monday morning, which gets me into trouble at work.

There is a long row on FB messenger. S and I thrash it out. I’m not entirely happy with everything she has said (mostly her insistence that a honeymoon is no more or less special than a holiday) but she apologised, explained she had been having issues with F for a while (she’s the youngest and they’re both fighting for dad’s attention). We agreed to take some time out for a bit and then be okay again. Everyone else has had a go about everyone else – to me – but no one else wants to actually raise the issues they have with one another in person.

B has basically refused to speak to me since. S has kindly stepped in with the babysitting.

In hindsight, yes, I should have spent the money on just me and DH. I don’t think it was my fault that the feuding happened exactly, but those times when family gel and are happy together just can’t be created on demand. That and B & S were not in the slightest bit grateful, as far as I can tell. I can only assume that they think that since we have more money than them, it didn’t cost us at all. We have a mortgage, we have our own costs etc etc.

We’ve had various family events since, and somehow, despite my saying I’m not okay with it, it has all ended up swept under the carpet again. People have issues with people but they’re never resolved and just keep cropping back up as b**ing behind people’s backs.

In hindsight again, I’ve spent far too long in my life wanting to fix my broken family (both in the sense of dysfunctional and in the sense of individuals struggling with depression). From the early years when my mother was abusive, I had this idea in my head that if I could somehow be good enough and do the right things everyone would be happy again. I have since realised, harsh as it is, that I cannot be responsible for making my family happy. I can’t actually fix people – they have to do that themselves. Even when we didn’t have a good income we were always ‘loaning’ people money which we never got back and I’ve been feeling for a while now that, whilst they do put stuff into the relationship, it’s all very, very one-sided.

It’s going to be my birthday soon, and I am seriously thinking of telling people that I don’t want any presents, only a family meeting where people thrash out their issues. I certainly don’t want a birthday where I pretend everything is okay. (On a side note I’ve been asked to organise a Halloween event because mine is the only house that’s free.)

I am also still really bloody annoyed that somehow, despite us paying for the holiday, despite her ditching on pre-agreed babysitting and making plans without even thinking about how we'd feel, B still thinks that I am in the wrong.

AIBU? And what do I do?

OP posts:
Rachel0Greep · 22/10/2017 08:04

For your sake, your husband's and your child's - step away. You need to work on yourself and your own health, you cannot fix others. I suggest seeking psychotherapy. Drop the burden that they have become.

Forget about parties of any description, seriously. Put yourself and your own mental health first.

Usernamegone · 22/10/2017 08:21
  1. you will never fix your disfunctional family - they have to want to fix themselves
  2. The more 'happy' family events you organise the more they will make their dysfunction your problem. They are not even grateful for the time and money is cost you.
  3. Book at honeymoon somewhere nice with you DH and baby
  4. Have a quiet Christmas with you DH and baby
  5. Don't organise a big party for Halloween - they won't appreciate it
pilates · 22/10/2017 08:25

You knew what your family were like and yet you thought it would be a good idea to take them on your honeymoon crammed in to two chalets. Concentrate on your DH and child and don’t inflict their awful behaviour on them again. You need to break the circle.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 22/10/2017 08:41

'No, I'm not doing Hallowe'en.'

THIS ^ - in spades! And no "birthday burying of hatchets either, or they will end up in someone's skull!

I just KNEW you would be the oldest daughter as soon as I read "I thought if I could be good enough . . .etc".

How Because I've been there. I could have written this myself (though not as skilfully). It was only when I realised that I was allowing myself and everyone I loved to be sucked into a whirlpool of emotional destruction that I stopped trying to "keep the family together". So I stepped back - and this worked, because they all hate me so much for stepping out of the drama that I have become their common enemy. Grin

Not how I envisaged things all of those years, but hey-ho.

There is a self-destruct button in some people. You can't do anything to stop it, but for your own sake, keep out of range of the fall-out.

Be pleasant, be friendly - don't be put-upon, and don't give them the opportunity to have their meltdowns where it is going to affect you and your DH and baby. Let them call you selfish for not hosting or whatever - that is easier to live with than getting drawn into the vortex of dysfunctional family horror.

Book a nice day/weekend/week away for your birthday. Don't celebrate Halloween.

Enjoy some calm . . .

Oliversmumsarmy · 22/10/2017 08:42

You have elements of my dm in you. Eldest dd, earned more than the rest of the family. Always calling family meetings. Riding to the rescue of any family member whenever they overspent, needed a house renovating, got a divorce.

Upshot was I knew early on they would come first. First my df left then I left. Not spoken to her for 35 years.

CamperVamp · 22/10/2017 08:44

Your family behaved in a selfish and self absorbed way, they have no self control or even good manners.

Except your Dad: he seems to see it all and have some perspective.

But. You can't dictate how your sister feels in the presence of your Mum.

And you too are losing perspective, it isn't a 'whole other story' that your child was immediately left with your Mum the moment you were out of sight, that is at the CENTRE of what happened.

Had I been your DH at that point I would have packed up the child and brought him/ her home. With or without you,

Your family have NO respect for you and are so self absorbed in all this that they will hand a baby to an abuser, against the wish of the parent, to pursue their own drama.

This was an incredibly serious thing to happen.

I am not saying don't socialise with your family, but:
Stop looking to them to make the world feel safe.

MrsExpo · 22/10/2017 08:45

So .... you organised a family holiday (it was never going to be a honeymoon was it ...?), made a list of everyone who was going and booked accommodation, but didn't sit down before hand to allocate said accommodation to the group, which resulted in utter chaos.

The group then started arguing between themselves (not a surprise).

Why on earth would you even try to make this lot get on? Simply keep your head down, refuse to organise any further events of any kind and let them sort themselves out. I admire your efforts to try to make this work, but it just won't, so duck out now to save your own sanity.

UnicornSparkles1 · 22/10/2017 08:47

Good lord that was exhausting. Like an episode of Eastenders. Why the hell would you take your entire family on your honeymoon?! Ditch them, spend your birthday with your DH and DC. You have your own family now Flowers

Ploppie4 · 22/10/2017 09:01

Forget getting them to thrash out their issues. You are not one huge jolly family and are all too damaged to be one. They are responsible for their own relationships and happiness. Put the holiday behind you. Learn from the experience. Book a nice week away just your DH and yourself and your baby. Have fun.

Ploppie4 · 22/10/2017 09:03

Ditch them birthday celebration wise. Then next summer have a proper honeymoon alone to mark your first anniversary together

littlebird7 · 22/10/2017 09:11

I would cancel all occasions for the time being and use the money to save up for a new honeymoon.

No, you can not change the disaster that was your familymoon, but you can have a rerun!

So rather than feel sad about this, resolve to fix it and have the honeymoon you always dreamed of.

The family dynamics I would not give another thought to, they will come round and let time heal. Focus on your own family.

Bettercallsaul1 · 22/10/2017 09:20

I don't think we've had enough information. Could you explain in a bit more detail, OP?

sparkleshine83 · 22/10/2017 09:22

Definitely not trolling. I basically did a brain dump wanting to get out the ins and outs to pick apart (and I am known for, um, excessive verbiage Wink). Not particularly sorry about that, no one has to read it. I'm also not an old Mumsnetter except insofar as I joined a while back before the birth of DC. I'm not up on the acronyms etc. or unwritten rules and left because I found that whilst most posters were supportive and helpful there was an awful lot of b**iness. As I'm not keen on drama I found it easier by far to step away.

Having said that I used to love the AIBU threads and knew exactly what to expect posting in one [laugh]

Thank you for the helpful replies mostly go along with what I've been thinking and given me much to chew over. With that I think I'll stop posting but may cruise the boards again if I get much in the way of notifications of further replies Smile

OP posts:
Skarossinkplunger · 22/10/2017 09:23

I can’t get past you thinking it’s ok to leave your baby with your mother because she only hits older kids

lou1221 · 22/10/2017 09:23

I cannot understand why anyone would bring their whole family on their honeymoon (and why the family would want to go either). You need to separate your lives, I feel really sorry for your Dh.

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 22/10/2017 09:23

I read nearly all of the OP and the subsequent response. I haven’t read all of the replies.

Wow! My DP suggested bringing both of our families to the second half of our honeymoon and I told him categorically that this IS NOT HAPPENING! It is not a honeymoon if they are there. It will be DP, myself and DD. That’s it. And we don’t have any of the drama you describe. My side of the family get on well and his side do. We all get on well together. I can still imagine nothing worse!

I think you definitely need to take a step back from your family and have a proper honeymoon without them.

Longislandicetee · 22/10/2017 09:24

You can't get other people to sort out their issues. You're feeding the dysfunction. Back right away from them all. Emotionally and otherwise. Your family aren't the Waltons and never will be....no matter how much you want them to be, or how flexible you are, or how much money you throw at it.

Inertia · 22/10/2017 09:26

You have to put the honeymoon behind you. Attempting to thrash it out is pointless - you'd be better off going on an actual honeymoon with your husband and just taking the children along.

No to Halloween.

Birthday - do something with your husband and children.

flynn80 · 22/10/2017 09:27

That took 6 scrolls to get through just your post, I have no idea what you said past dh's grandparents wanted you to get married so you did for tax purposes Hmm

But gathering from what everyone else has said, to sum up you took your family on holiday with you and called it a honeymoon, apparently everyone fell out. This was not a honeymoon. if you say my family ruined my holiday Id agree with you.

Book you and dh a nice trip somewhere instead and call that your honeymoon instead.

AyeAyeFishyPie · 22/10/2017 09:27

You seem to be minimising all of this in your subsequent replies - im afraid that it really does look like you love the drama of all of have two options - back away, leave them to it (what I do) or carry on trying to sort out 'family issues'. Why you would try to do that is beyond me but I dont have the mental space to even attempt to.

I would really watch your relationship with your husband - if he had posted I would imagine a lot of people would be questioning your priorities.

kittymamma · 22/10/2017 09:28

Haven't rtft, but managed the whole OP so go me!

You need to recognise the difference between YOUR FAMILY (you, DH and DC) and your family (Everyone else). Prioritise those that are important and spend your money on those. Let them squabble and keep them at arms length. Don't pull them into your life. And ffs - get over your guilt of having more. I earn more than any of my siblings and I get sick of being reminded of it. I just shrug now. It's not your concern!

shhhfastasleep · 22/10/2017 09:28

Like others I absolutely cannot understand what anyone other than you and dh was doing coming with you on “honeymoon “.
We have pretty working class roots and neither of us has ever heard such a stupid idea.
But what’s done is done. Stop being a cash cow for your relatives and focus on your family.

EllieQ · 22/10/2017 09:33

They all sound like drama llamas, including you. Step back. You need to learn the phrase 'Not my circus, not my monkeys' and leave them to it.

GuntyMcGee · 22/10/2017 09:35

OP I read your post but haven't read all replies so apologies if I'm echoing what anyone else has added.

Firstly, taking your family on honeymoon was never going to end well. It seems that you had a vision in your head of a perfect family enjoying a Hollywood style break. Believe me, this NEVER happens. It doesn't matter what history your family has, has perfect they appear to be or how well they get on in small chunks, putting a large group of relatives together 24-7 is always a recipe for arguments and fall-outs.

You've got to stop thinking of this as your honeymoon. A honeymoon is a romantic break for you and DH after the wedding. Taking family is not a honeymoon so forget that. Plan another one with just you, DH and your DC.

Your family has major deep seated issues which cannot be sorted or arranged, hashed out or talked through. Each individual needs to sort this out by themselves in their own time and space.

You have to focus on your DH and DC and stop expecting so much from other people. They will never live up to the expectation in your head and it's unfair to expect them to.

Ultimately, it's not your job to fix their lives and their relationships with others.

A few years ago two of my siblings had a big falling out without even arguing (it was ridiculous), which had a knock on effect on my parents and other siblings. It culminated in a huge row on Christmas Day and ruined everyone's Christmas and we didn't speak to each other for weeks after which is unusual for us.

At the time I was seeing a counsellor who helped me to realise that I was making myself miserable by worrying about how to 'fix' the two siblings' relationships. I wanted it all better. It took someone pointing out that that's not for me to do for me to realise that I was wasting my emotional energy and making myself ill. Believe me, forgetting their shit and focusing on mine was liberating and a few years on, they've managed to sort themselves out and things are good again.

I guess what I'm saying in a roundabout way is stop trying to create the perfect family and perfect family event. There's no such thing. Focus on your Dh and DC. Let the others be idiots and don't get involved. Plus stop allowing them to walk all over you. Don't do the Halloween shindig. Tell them you're not doing it, full stop, no further discussion.

And go away on a proper honeymoon. It sounds like you need time alone as your little family to destress.

BriechonCheese · 22/10/2017 09:46

You and your scrabble letter rabble of a family sound like a bloody nightmare.