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...to be bloody annoyed that my family ruined my honeymoon?

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sparkleshine83 · 21/10/2017 22:09

It’s been long enough now that the edge of my annoyance has worn off such that I’m not actually furious furious about it and I wanted to find out what people thought of events and maybe get some insight from an outside perspective. And yes, that’s honeymoon, not wedding… so, bring your popcorn and your tuppence! Wink I don’t normally post much – I’m a bit of a lurker and went offsite for a while as part of a Mumsnet FB group, but I wanted to get a more general (and anonymous) response than from the guys in the group. So...

I recently got married after 14 years with DH, for a combination of tax reasons and because DH’s grandparents really were pushing the ‘we’re old and want to see him settled down(!), it’s important now there’s a baby for stability’ motif.

Our joint income is higher than everyone else’s on my side of the family – my family is working class, his is middle class. Because my side of the family have no money, every event is penny-pinching and causes stress and money worries for everyone. I wanted to alleviate everyone’s worries (more on this in a bit), so I (we) paid for more or less everything. We paid for the hen night. We paid for all the bridesmaid’s dresses etc. And we paid for a honeymoon which, rather than a romantic getaway, was a chance to get the relations on my side of the family who might otherwise not have been able to have a holiday in the summer out to Cornwall. I asked folks if they would like to go, they said yes.

The wedding was fantastic. Okay, there were a few minor issues, DH’s grandfather getting drunk and hypercritical, my sisters backed out of singing at the last moment and they could not manage to get their act together about shoes in time (that I was paying for, so it wasn’t money that was the issue) so we ended up having a last minute stress about that, but all in all nothing that you couldn’t expect as normal levels of issues from a wedding and it was a really wonderful day.

On the honeymoon, we started off heading up in a minibus and a flaming row broke out between my dad’s girlfriend, let’s call her F, and my youngest sister S at a service station. In retrospect having heard what happened I suspect that it was a combination of miscommunication, F being anxious and nervous and S being easily wounded and unable to forgive but more or less F at fault. F was having a go at S whilst S was holding the hand of her (and my) 3-year-old niece. My DH walked said niece back to the minibus. I spoke to them, not taking sides, but just said, “Please can we not fight?” F turned round and told me to go away, before I had a chance to react (in disbelief) S said she wanted to go home now and F, not to be outdone, declared she wanted to go home as well. I walked off and went back to the minibus, explained to folks what was going on and my dad went out to referee.

Eventually they came back and I was told it had all been ‘sorted out’. Great, I’m thinking, a hiccup and then we can get on with having a great time. My family are usually very close-knit and can be very supportive and loving, and I had this (highly unrealistic) fantasy that everyone would have fun on the beach, be happy and have a great time.

We get to the campsite (it’s a Tuesday). There are two lodges, the ‘honeymoon’ one and a normal one, both three bed sleep six. I have said already I don’t mind who is where but I would like to go in the honeymoon one. There is my dad and F, my mum, my sister M, my brother in law J and their two kids (the nieces), me, DH, our baby, my sister S, my sister B and two dogs. Only the non-honeymoon lodge takes dogs.

First off my brother-in-law J and B have a row whilst unpacking bags at the non-honeymoon lodge. B said he was sharp with her, M agrees he can be very cutting and rude but that he had reason to be irritable due to the stress of the journey and the fact that S was suddenly thrust on them as an unexpected guest. She refuses to stay in the same lodge as F (despite it being ‘all resolved’), and he feels it is overcrowded (and doesn’t deal well with the unexpected anyway). F is now with me, DH, my dad and the baby. No one has asked me if I’m happy on my honeymoon to stay with the woman who told be to go away on the honeymoon I paid for, but I’m like, okay whatever, I just want peace. I’m also really astounded that B has burst into tears over a tone of voice, but, okay, it’s been a long journey, people are stressed etc etc and I love them both and assume it will all resolve come morning. There are now 7 in the six-berth lodge with S sleeping on the sofa. B can’t come up to our lodge because her dog will panic without her so she has to stay at the dogs-allowed lodge. My mother can’t be in the same lodge as F because this would be weird and awkward, and M&J and the nieces don’t want to move as they say they don’t want a clash between our routine and ours – basically our baby wakes and wakes their kids up, their kids keep our baby up etc (reasonable enough). F apologises to me that evening.

Day two dawns. B and S are withdrawing from everyone due to the stress. We decide to leave the drama and go enjoy ourselves at the beach. Day three we go off to the Eden Project with dad, F, M&J and the nieces. We hear that B is chaperoning S who is still upset about F’s behaviour and wants to avoid her. B and S have been rowing with J. M has been just trying to keep her head down and keep her kids happy and having fun. My mother is honestly veering between stressed and enjoying the drama. She wants to ‘have it out’ with F for upsetting her baby daughter and says she only hasn’t to avoid further stress.

Now at this point, it is Thursday and we have only two days left as we will be travelling back on the Sunday. DH and I haven’t had any alone time yet at this point. I had stupidly assumed that it wouldn’t be that difficult to snatch an hour or two with so many adults about to babysit but this hasn’t happened at all. My dad and F are in the same lodge with us so can’t look after her there – they’d need to head out for a bit to give us time as well. My mother is out of the picture as she was an abusive and violent parent. She’s improved now, I’ve mended my relationship with her and forgiven her but DH is absolutely not willing to risk that she might hurt our baby. I don’t agree with his assessment of the risk that she would – she only hit older kids, not babies, and I really don’t think she would dare try it now – but I 100% support him and agree he has every right to be uncomfortable about it all. M has her own girls to look after.

As we come back after the Eden Project S volunteers to babysit tomorrow (Friday) evening with B. We haven’t actually asked anyone, not wanting anyone to feel like their presence here has to be paid for by babysitting or anything. I’m really grateful and thankful and ask her more than once if she’s sure this is okay. So I’m working myself up, really looking forward to it and all and then my dad comes into the lodge and whilst we’re chatting, cooking lunch he mentions that B and S are ‘going to the pub tonight’.

Now I’m really ped off. I’m only a little ped off that they’ve cancelled – I know that S is stressed and miserable as she feels that F’s behaviour triggered her and reminded her of when we were kids and mum was abusive. I know that B has been looking after her, missing out on fun to try to keep S going and upset at her altercations with J. But I am absolutely sodding furious that I found out like that via dad and that they didn’t even have the decency to ask me if it was okay to cancel or even tell me that they were and why. Not once does it seem to have occurred to them that this is meant to be my honeymoon. I assume they’re thinking it isn’t really ‘special’ to me as it was never my ‘dream’ to be married in the same way as some. But I had felt it was a bit special and I had hoped to come away with positive memories of an expensive holiday I paid for which was in part to celebrate our wedding.

So I’m furious, and text B asking if they’re still ok to babysit as I can see what is coming. The answer is no, ‘maybe tomorrow’ as they want to go to the bar today to de-stress. I am furious, again not with the idea of waiting until tomorrow per se, but the sheer thoughtlessness of their actions. That they just decided and went ahead with with their own plans without consulting or informing me. That they don’t think that after all the feuding, which I haven’t been responsible for, on what is meant to be a special-ish occasion I might also need this time out. There’s also the fact that there’s supposed to be a long trip planned tomorrow as it’s the younger niece’s birthday, and I’m under the impression that we would all be tired afterwards. And that given how flakey they are we’d be ditched again.

B is saying how it was a favour, she assumed it was flexible and she ‘didn’t remember that we’d decided a day for definite’ (we did). She’s blaming me for not giving much notice (again, they bloody volunteered) and says it’s my fault things have gone badly for bringing my family on holiday.

She then tells mum she has a migraine which is why she can’t make the babysitting, but apparently this is not enough of a migraine to not go to the pub…

So I end up in tears wildly texting my outrage on the beach whilst supposed to be having a good time. My dad at least apologises (daft given that he’s been least troublesome) and says that he does think we need a break. We’re talking about whether I could hire a babysitter, I have no idea where to take the baby and honestly wouldn’t feel comfortable about just taking her somewhere local I don’t know. We talk about going to a hotel, but I’m honestly not sure we can afford it given how much money we’ve put into this already. Eventually M comes to the rescue and volunteers. (She then hands the baby off to my mother, but that’s a whole other story).

The alone time is full of stress from the prior events, but at least we’re together. Saturday comes and S and B flat out refuse to come on the birthday trip for their two-year-old niece, which I honestly think is a bit awful – I didn’t refuse on the basis that they might show up – but I’ve kind of given up at this point. I’d hoped that the niece would have a wonderful birthday on holiday, but it ends up being a bit of a wash-out and M agrees that she did not have the day she deserves.

We get back home.

B ditches on her regular babysitting for me on Mondays starting as of that Monday morning, which gets me into trouble at work.

There is a long row on FB messenger. S and I thrash it out. I’m not entirely happy with everything she has said (mostly her insistence that a honeymoon is no more or less special than a holiday) but she apologised, explained she had been having issues with F for a while (she’s the youngest and they’re both fighting for dad’s attention). We agreed to take some time out for a bit and then be okay again. Everyone else has had a go about everyone else – to me – but no one else wants to actually raise the issues they have with one another in person.

B has basically refused to speak to me since. S has kindly stepped in with the babysitting.

In hindsight, yes, I should have spent the money on just me and DH. I don’t think it was my fault that the feuding happened exactly, but those times when family gel and are happy together just can’t be created on demand. That and B & S were not in the slightest bit grateful, as far as I can tell. I can only assume that they think that since we have more money than them, it didn’t cost us at all. We have a mortgage, we have our own costs etc etc.

We’ve had various family events since, and somehow, despite my saying I’m not okay with it, it has all ended up swept under the carpet again. People have issues with people but they’re never resolved and just keep cropping back up as b**ing behind people’s backs.

In hindsight again, I’ve spent far too long in my life wanting to fix my broken family (both in the sense of dysfunctional and in the sense of individuals struggling with depression). From the early years when my mother was abusive, I had this idea in my head that if I could somehow be good enough and do the right things everyone would be happy again. I have since realised, harsh as it is, that I cannot be responsible for making my family happy. I can’t actually fix people – they have to do that themselves. Even when we didn’t have a good income we were always ‘loaning’ people money which we never got back and I’ve been feeling for a while now that, whilst they do put stuff into the relationship, it’s all very, very one-sided.

It’s going to be my birthday soon, and I am seriously thinking of telling people that I don’t want any presents, only a family meeting where people thrash out their issues. I certainly don’t want a birthday where I pretend everything is okay. (On a side note I’ve been asked to organise a Halloween event because mine is the only house that’s free.)

I am also still really bloody annoyed that somehow, despite us paying for the holiday, despite her ditching on pre-agreed babysitting and making plans without even thinking about how we'd feel, B still thinks that I am in the wrong.

AIBU? And what do I do?

OP posts:
R2G · 22/10/2017 10:04

OP - why don't you take your little one to Alton Towers for Halloween and stay in the hotel there? It's lovely for all ages and the next day go for a lovely walk and pub lunch x

The80sweregreat · 22/10/2017 10:13

It must have all cost you a fortune. I didnt read it all, but taking your entire family away on your own honeymoon was never going to be easy, however well you all get on.
I would chalk it all up to experience and go away on your own next time.

TheVanguardSix · 22/10/2017 10:18

What a dreadful family holiday.
Don't do that one again.

So... when are you and DH going on your honeymoon? Because that was NOT a honeymoon.

DaemonPantalaemon · 22/10/2017 10:22

As I'm not keen on drama I found it easier by far to step away

I can understand you not being keen on drama on Mumsnet as you are very keen on the real drama in your life. The reason you keep enmeshing yourself in your overly dramatic family is not only do you actually enjoy being the peacemaker etc even as you are helping to stir things up, but you like to play Lady Bountiful. You are so invested in your idea of being the sane and generous one that you do not see how you contribute to a toxic dynamic. For your own needs, you wanted a particular honeymoon, and it did not matter to you that it might be unpleasant for people who do not get along, you wanted it anyway because you are invested in being Lady Bountiful.

After all this, a sensible person who is not keen on drama would say, you know what, I am going to enjoy my birthday with my husband and child. But no. You want to use the occasion to thrash out issues, and have you at the centre. A sensible person would also find a childminder, and stop relying on the babysitting services provided by your sisters as a means to untangle yourself from this poisonous dynamic.

You need be really honest about why you feed all this drama, and how you are as dysfunctional as they all are, perhaps even more so, because you can choose to walk away but instead you enmesh yourself further.

billabye · 22/10/2017 10:34

Didn’t read it all as was losing the will to live

But it sounds like you enjoy playing Lady Bountiful Hmm

nakedscientist · 22/10/2017 11:46

I read all your post, OP and I really feel for you.
You thought if you took the financial stress off people that it would delight them and make them happy.
My experience is that, especially in the first week of a break, stresses surface and the time off focuses people on their problems. I think they were also falling into familiar patterns. Your both parents seemed the most restrained, for what it's worth.
I respect that you have tried to move on with your mum, I similarly made peace with my dad, before he died, and I am very glad I did every day.
I would go against the grain and say have the party. A one day event is much less claustrophobic and not having it will only serve to cement any simmering issues.
Don't have the thrashing out for your birthday though. I get your frustration, but as pp wisely said, do this in smaller groups and in short time limited periods.
You cannot and should not dump your family at this point, you obviously love them.
BTW did you pay B (may have that sister wrong!) to babysit? I bet you did and her stopping is just petulant.
In your head you made a bargain with them which was 'I will give you this and I expect you to do that'. I have these internal conversations re my teens, they rarely deliver. You have to be more explicit and tell people what the 'bargain' is.
Now you need to say to B, ' this is the bigger picture, nevermind the low grade niggles, I gave you a holiday to make you happy and you acted like a petulant teen ergo I am hurt' . Say it to all of them separately. Just put forward one clear point and don't focus on the individual rows. Focus on fixing your own hurt.
In the future, avoid investing cash and emotional energy into big gestures, this means you have too much to loose. Just do things more casually and learn to deal with the dramas differently, minimise and compartmentalise them, take away the fuel. Try seeing the family in smaller groups or whole family events that are shorter and lower key like walks or picnics or art days for kids etc
You cannot change them, only your own response.
Good luck!

nakedscientist · 22/10/2017 11:49

Daemon and billabye, are you S and B? Grin

ButchyRestingFace · 22/10/2017 11:57

I'm not up on the acronyms etc. or unwritten rules and left because I found that whilst most posters were supportive and helpful there was an awful lot of biness

You’re bloody lucky anyone summoned up the willpower to read their way through your epic tome, let alone reply to it. So in your position, on this occasion, I’d be very tolerant of any “b**iness.” Hmm

As for “excessive verbiage”, I recommend setting up a Twitter account. 140 character limit should soon cure you.

DaemonPantalaemon · 22/10/2017 12:10

Daemon and billabye, are you S and B? grin

Ha! Not even! The OP at one point says that she knows her extraordinarily badly written screed is a long and unreadable brain dump but she doesn't care about how people receive that. Someone who thinks like this is likely to carry those attitudes into her daily life. And she is definitely enmeshed in the family dynamic, but will not do what it takes because she gets something out of it!!

ukelelebanana · 22/10/2017 12:12

You ruined your own honeymoon: you took the entire family with you and went camping!? I can't imagine what you were thinking.

billabye · 22/10/2017 13:42

Haha thankfully not Grin

billabye · 22/10/2017 13:44

Just read Daemon’s post before mine. Cross posted Grin

Butterymuffin · 22/10/2017 14:06

Don't organise any more family get-togethers. Stop apologising for having more money than other people.
Take DH and DC on a lovely holiday ON YOUR OWN, and let the rest sort themselves out.

This!

Aquamarine1029 · 22/10/2017 14:07

"As I'm not keen on drama I found it easier by far to step away."

Not keen on drama, yet you invite your entire dysfunctional family AND their dogs to join you in your honeymoon.

DaemonPantalaemon · 22/10/2017 14:07

You and your scrabble letter rabble of a family sound like a bloody nightmare

Grin Grin

MovingOnUpMovingOnOut · 22/10/2017 14:22

Not keen on drama but has basically recreated Coach Trip with the people from Shameless.

Op it's not your responsibilty to fix everything. You can't. You can only concentrate on doing the best for you and your dh and dc.

LakieLady · 22/10/2017 14:58

You cannot fix your dysfunctional family, so stop trying. Don't get embroiled in their psychodramas and take a step back. File the family feuds and fallings-out in a drawer marked "not my problem".

Learn from your mistakes and never, ever, try and get everyone involved in an event again, especially not a holiday. Restrict your social events to ones that take place on neutral territory, so you can leave when it all goes tits up. Do NOT host a Halloween event!

Concentrate on making sure that you, DH and your child have a chilled, happy home life.

I wonder if, as the oldest, you feel that you have a responsibility to keep everyone happy? Because you really, really don't. Your responsibility is to your new family. Focus on them.

HaHaHmm · 22/10/2017 18:22

Money clearly isn’t the problem, OP - when you paid for literally everything at your wedding your family still managed to let you down.

I rather feel for them. It must be exhausting to have to exist in a permanent state of gratitude to Lady Bountiful.

milliemolliemou · 22/10/2017 19:01

OP I think people are being unfair with the Lady Bountiful accusations.

And do get time to yourself with DH and DC. Surely not every birthday has to have family? and certainly not a family showdown.

And a old uni friend of mine found her DH's family refreshing (yes, genuinely though poss tad of snob as well) because they were so full on, funny, "real" and unbuttoned unlike her own family. Ten years down the line she's not so sure - she's also seen they are selfish, prone to emotional and physical drama and that her DH is quite happy with some distance. As is now she.

Coastalcommand · 22/10/2017 19:59

On the upside, your husband sounds lovely.

Oliversmumsarmy · 22/10/2017 22:27

Omg Lady Bountiful was my dms nick name.

I can't remember one family holiday that didn't involve other members of our extended family coming.

BarbarianMum · 22/10/2017 23:04

Just why would you go on your honeymoon with your extended family? What on earth did you think would happen?

ForgotwhatIcameinherefor · 22/10/2017 23:11

I read all of it op. Could have written something extremely similar myself. Luckily(?) I am these days pretty much NC with almost my entire family so if I ever do get married it will be without any of them. I am relieved I didn't marry in the past now as I can see now that I would only have awful memories of my day being ruined by them.
I agree with other posters. Wipe that. It wasn't your honeymoon. Book your honeymoon now - just the 3 of you x

Venusflytwat · 22/10/2017 23:17

From your OP:

“From the early years when my mother was abusive, I had this idea in my head that if I could somehow be good enough and do the right things everyone would be happy again. I have since realised, harsh as it is, that I cannot be responsible for making my family happy. I can’t actually fix people – they have to do that themselves.”

You haven’t internalised this. You may have realised it is something that needs to happen but you haven’t got to the point where you are actually living it as truth.

How do I know this?

Because you took them all on your HONEYMOON in a MINIBUS.

Leave them all to it. Enjoy your husband and get a bit more counselling. Live your own life and pursue your own wholeness and happiness.

Strongmummy · 23/10/2017 17:34

God bored half way through, but why on earth did u think it was ever a good idea to take them away with you. I'd try it again on your own and put this down to experience

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