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AIBU?

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...to be bloody annoyed that my family ruined my honeymoon?

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sparkleshine83 · 21/10/2017 22:09

It’s been long enough now that the edge of my annoyance has worn off such that I’m not actually furious furious about it and I wanted to find out what people thought of events and maybe get some insight from an outside perspective. And yes, that’s honeymoon, not wedding… so, bring your popcorn and your tuppence! Wink I don’t normally post much – I’m a bit of a lurker and went offsite for a while as part of a Mumsnet FB group, but I wanted to get a more general (and anonymous) response than from the guys in the group. So...

I recently got married after 14 years with DH, for a combination of tax reasons and because DH’s grandparents really were pushing the ‘we’re old and want to see him settled down(!), it’s important now there’s a baby for stability’ motif.

Our joint income is higher than everyone else’s on my side of the family – my family is working class, his is middle class. Because my side of the family have no money, every event is penny-pinching and causes stress and money worries for everyone. I wanted to alleviate everyone’s worries (more on this in a bit), so I (we) paid for more or less everything. We paid for the hen night. We paid for all the bridesmaid’s dresses etc. And we paid for a honeymoon which, rather than a romantic getaway, was a chance to get the relations on my side of the family who might otherwise not have been able to have a holiday in the summer out to Cornwall. I asked folks if they would like to go, they said yes.

The wedding was fantastic. Okay, there were a few minor issues, DH’s grandfather getting drunk and hypercritical, my sisters backed out of singing at the last moment and they could not manage to get their act together about shoes in time (that I was paying for, so it wasn’t money that was the issue) so we ended up having a last minute stress about that, but all in all nothing that you couldn’t expect as normal levels of issues from a wedding and it was a really wonderful day.

On the honeymoon, we started off heading up in a minibus and a flaming row broke out between my dad’s girlfriend, let’s call her F, and my youngest sister S at a service station. In retrospect having heard what happened I suspect that it was a combination of miscommunication, F being anxious and nervous and S being easily wounded and unable to forgive but more or less F at fault. F was having a go at S whilst S was holding the hand of her (and my) 3-year-old niece. My DH walked said niece back to the minibus. I spoke to them, not taking sides, but just said, “Please can we not fight?” F turned round and told me to go away, before I had a chance to react (in disbelief) S said she wanted to go home now and F, not to be outdone, declared she wanted to go home as well. I walked off and went back to the minibus, explained to folks what was going on and my dad went out to referee.

Eventually they came back and I was told it had all been ‘sorted out’. Great, I’m thinking, a hiccup and then we can get on with having a great time. My family are usually very close-knit and can be very supportive and loving, and I had this (highly unrealistic) fantasy that everyone would have fun on the beach, be happy and have a great time.

We get to the campsite (it’s a Tuesday). There are two lodges, the ‘honeymoon’ one and a normal one, both three bed sleep six. I have said already I don’t mind who is where but I would like to go in the honeymoon one. There is my dad and F, my mum, my sister M, my brother in law J and their two kids (the nieces), me, DH, our baby, my sister S, my sister B and two dogs. Only the non-honeymoon lodge takes dogs.

First off my brother-in-law J and B have a row whilst unpacking bags at the non-honeymoon lodge. B said he was sharp with her, M agrees he can be very cutting and rude but that he had reason to be irritable due to the stress of the journey and the fact that S was suddenly thrust on them as an unexpected guest. She refuses to stay in the same lodge as F (despite it being ‘all resolved’), and he feels it is overcrowded (and doesn’t deal well with the unexpected anyway). F is now with me, DH, my dad and the baby. No one has asked me if I’m happy on my honeymoon to stay with the woman who told be to go away on the honeymoon I paid for, but I’m like, okay whatever, I just want peace. I’m also really astounded that B has burst into tears over a tone of voice, but, okay, it’s been a long journey, people are stressed etc etc and I love them both and assume it will all resolve come morning. There are now 7 in the six-berth lodge with S sleeping on the sofa. B can’t come up to our lodge because her dog will panic without her so she has to stay at the dogs-allowed lodge. My mother can’t be in the same lodge as F because this would be weird and awkward, and M&J and the nieces don’t want to move as they say they don’t want a clash between our routine and ours – basically our baby wakes and wakes their kids up, their kids keep our baby up etc (reasonable enough). F apologises to me that evening.

Day two dawns. B and S are withdrawing from everyone due to the stress. We decide to leave the drama and go enjoy ourselves at the beach. Day three we go off to the Eden Project with dad, F, M&J and the nieces. We hear that B is chaperoning S who is still upset about F’s behaviour and wants to avoid her. B and S have been rowing with J. M has been just trying to keep her head down and keep her kids happy and having fun. My mother is honestly veering between stressed and enjoying the drama. She wants to ‘have it out’ with F for upsetting her baby daughter and says she only hasn’t to avoid further stress.

Now at this point, it is Thursday and we have only two days left as we will be travelling back on the Sunday. DH and I haven’t had any alone time yet at this point. I had stupidly assumed that it wouldn’t be that difficult to snatch an hour or two with so many adults about to babysit but this hasn’t happened at all. My dad and F are in the same lodge with us so can’t look after her there – they’d need to head out for a bit to give us time as well. My mother is out of the picture as she was an abusive and violent parent. She’s improved now, I’ve mended my relationship with her and forgiven her but DH is absolutely not willing to risk that she might hurt our baby. I don’t agree with his assessment of the risk that she would – she only hit older kids, not babies, and I really don’t think she would dare try it now – but I 100% support him and agree he has every right to be uncomfortable about it all. M has her own girls to look after.

As we come back after the Eden Project S volunteers to babysit tomorrow (Friday) evening with B. We haven’t actually asked anyone, not wanting anyone to feel like their presence here has to be paid for by babysitting or anything. I’m really grateful and thankful and ask her more than once if she’s sure this is okay. So I’m working myself up, really looking forward to it and all and then my dad comes into the lodge and whilst we’re chatting, cooking lunch he mentions that B and S are ‘going to the pub tonight’.

Now I’m really ped off. I’m only a little ped off that they’ve cancelled – I know that S is stressed and miserable as she feels that F’s behaviour triggered her and reminded her of when we were kids and mum was abusive. I know that B has been looking after her, missing out on fun to try to keep S going and upset at her altercations with J. But I am absolutely sodding furious that I found out like that via dad and that they didn’t even have the decency to ask me if it was okay to cancel or even tell me that they were and why. Not once does it seem to have occurred to them that this is meant to be my honeymoon. I assume they’re thinking it isn’t really ‘special’ to me as it was never my ‘dream’ to be married in the same way as some. But I had felt it was a bit special and I had hoped to come away with positive memories of an expensive holiday I paid for which was in part to celebrate our wedding.

So I’m furious, and text B asking if they’re still ok to babysit as I can see what is coming. The answer is no, ‘maybe tomorrow’ as they want to go to the bar today to de-stress. I am furious, again not with the idea of waiting until tomorrow per se, but the sheer thoughtlessness of their actions. That they just decided and went ahead with with their own plans without consulting or informing me. That they don’t think that after all the feuding, which I haven’t been responsible for, on what is meant to be a special-ish occasion I might also need this time out. There’s also the fact that there’s supposed to be a long trip planned tomorrow as it’s the younger niece’s birthday, and I’m under the impression that we would all be tired afterwards. And that given how flakey they are we’d be ditched again.

B is saying how it was a favour, she assumed it was flexible and she ‘didn’t remember that we’d decided a day for definite’ (we did). She’s blaming me for not giving much notice (again, they bloody volunteered) and says it’s my fault things have gone badly for bringing my family on holiday.

She then tells mum she has a migraine which is why she can’t make the babysitting, but apparently this is not enough of a migraine to not go to the pub…

So I end up in tears wildly texting my outrage on the beach whilst supposed to be having a good time. My dad at least apologises (daft given that he’s been least troublesome) and says that he does think we need a break. We’re talking about whether I could hire a babysitter, I have no idea where to take the baby and honestly wouldn’t feel comfortable about just taking her somewhere local I don’t know. We talk about going to a hotel, but I’m honestly not sure we can afford it given how much money we’ve put into this already. Eventually M comes to the rescue and volunteers. (She then hands the baby off to my mother, but that’s a whole other story).

The alone time is full of stress from the prior events, but at least we’re together. Saturday comes and S and B flat out refuse to come on the birthday trip for their two-year-old niece, which I honestly think is a bit awful – I didn’t refuse on the basis that they might show up – but I’ve kind of given up at this point. I’d hoped that the niece would have a wonderful birthday on holiday, but it ends up being a bit of a wash-out and M agrees that she did not have the day she deserves.

We get back home.

B ditches on her regular babysitting for me on Mondays starting as of that Monday morning, which gets me into trouble at work.

There is a long row on FB messenger. S and I thrash it out. I’m not entirely happy with everything she has said (mostly her insistence that a honeymoon is no more or less special than a holiday) but she apologised, explained she had been having issues with F for a while (she’s the youngest and they’re both fighting for dad’s attention). We agreed to take some time out for a bit and then be okay again. Everyone else has had a go about everyone else – to me – but no one else wants to actually raise the issues they have with one another in person.

B has basically refused to speak to me since. S has kindly stepped in with the babysitting.

In hindsight, yes, I should have spent the money on just me and DH. I don’t think it was my fault that the feuding happened exactly, but those times when family gel and are happy together just can’t be created on demand. That and B & S were not in the slightest bit grateful, as far as I can tell. I can only assume that they think that since we have more money than them, it didn’t cost us at all. We have a mortgage, we have our own costs etc etc.

We’ve had various family events since, and somehow, despite my saying I’m not okay with it, it has all ended up swept under the carpet again. People have issues with people but they’re never resolved and just keep cropping back up as b**ing behind people’s backs.

In hindsight again, I’ve spent far too long in my life wanting to fix my broken family (both in the sense of dysfunctional and in the sense of individuals struggling with depression). From the early years when my mother was abusive, I had this idea in my head that if I could somehow be good enough and do the right things everyone would be happy again. I have since realised, harsh as it is, that I cannot be responsible for making my family happy. I can’t actually fix people – they have to do that themselves. Even when we didn’t have a good income we were always ‘loaning’ people money which we never got back and I’ve been feeling for a while now that, whilst they do put stuff into the relationship, it’s all very, very one-sided.

It’s going to be my birthday soon, and I am seriously thinking of telling people that I don’t want any presents, only a family meeting where people thrash out their issues. I certainly don’t want a birthday where I pretend everything is okay. (On a side note I’ve been asked to organise a Halloween event because mine is the only house that’s free.)

I am also still really bloody annoyed that somehow, despite us paying for the holiday, despite her ditching on pre-agreed babysitting and making plans without even thinking about how we'd feel, B still thinks that I am in the wrong.

AIBU? And what do I do?

OP posts:
Viviennemary · 23/10/2017 17:41

I didn't read it all. But it's done now. It was a mistake to go on honeymoon with your family. It would seldom work well. Just move on and leave them to scrap amongst themselves. Interfering will get you nowhere. And if they're unreliable don't rely on them for babysitting.

BendydickCuminsnatch · 23/10/2017 17:41

That was reeeeeally long. I think you were crazy to invite family on your honeymoon in the first place. It's a honeymoon not just a holiday!

Rainbownerd · 23/10/2017 17:41

Wow. I actually can’t keep up and read it all.

Conclusion: a honeymoon is for a bride and groom. Don’t bring family. Ever.

Rainbownerd · 23/10/2017 17:44

😴

...to be bloody annoyed that my family ruined my honeymoon?
Maireadplastic · 23/10/2017 17:52

You need a break. Have one. You cannot make everyone happy, you can't fix them.

callmeadoctor · 23/10/2017 17:58

You are daft, that is all!!! Wink

BuzzKillington · 23/10/2017 18:00

I couldn't read it all, sorry.

Who takes their family on honeymoon? Weird.

fadingfast · 23/10/2017 18:05

In a nutshell, the family honeymoon was a bad idea. Put it down to experience and move on. Book a proper honeymoon.

The family meeting to trash it all out is an even worse idea. I can guarantee it will resolve nothing.

Trailedanderror · 23/10/2017 18:06
Shock But please read what Venus said: From your OP:

“From the early years when my mother was abusive, I had this idea in my head that if I could somehow be good enough and do the right things everyone would be happy again. I have since realised, harsh as it is, that I cannot be responsible for making my family happy. I can’t actually fix people – they have to do that themselves.”

You haven’t internalised this. You may have realised it is something that needs to happen but you haven’t got to the point where you are actually living it as truth.

How do I know this?

Because you took them all on your HONEYMOON in a MINIBUS.

Leave them all to it. Enjoy your husband and get a bit more counselling. Live your own life and pursue your own wholeness and happiness.

MrsEight · 23/10/2017 18:07

That has to be the longest OP I have ever seen! Shock

Jux · 23/10/2017 18:09

You need to detach. God, do you need to detach.

keffie12 · 23/10/2017 18:19

My head was a jumble with it: I was trying to sift out what was important or not etc. You can't change any of them. You can only change what you do.

Have your birthday with your husband and child. Do NOT have a big birthday bash. What is the point? People are people. They will fight.

Don't have the Halloween party if you don't want it. Set some boundaries and learn to say no. Your trying to make your family something they aren't.

Fix and focus on you, your husband and child. Leave the rest of them to it. That wasn't a honeymoon. I sort of knew what was coming when I read it that you took them on honeymoon.

Your part was expecting it to be different. Let them sort themselves out and stop trying to play happy families. They don't exist except in magazine pictures and films

SarahVanstone13 · 23/10/2017 18:31

harsh as it is, that I cannot be responsible for making my family happy. I can’t actually fix people – they have to do that themselves.

This in itself, I feel for you as I almost feel responsible for both mine and DH family, we support people in our families as best as we can but sometimes you just have to realise life is about you, your DH and child...

I feel sorry for you for the events of the honeymoon, your family certainly should have made an effort, but in retro spect they do sound like reasonably selfish people I think it sounded like a disaster before I even read the whole story....

I know you spent a lot of money of what you thought would be a great time with genuine thought for your family, but did they feel the same I.e you should be sharing everything you do because you earn he most and you could come across as a push over for always wanting to do everything for everyone...

My suggestion HM has happened, set boundaries moving forwards and maybe take a back seat with your family. Sounds like you are more committed to your family than they are you....

Your be fair for being pissed about their inconsideration, but YABU blaming them on ruining you HM I think that may have been a fantasy so many people with what sounds like burrows issues in a confined space....

gamerwidow · 23/10/2017 18:32

Your honeymoon sounds like a nightmare but you cannot force people to talk about it if they don’t want to.
You now have 2 options.

  1. chalk it up as experience, carry on as normal and let it go
  2. walk away from the family until they accept they are wrong and give you the apology you want even though this probably means walking away for ever

Depends if you feel more strongly about your family acknowledging they are a fault or carrying on a relationship with them.
I honestly wouldn’t judge you if you decided to cut them off.

Dowser · 23/10/2017 18:42

Well I did read it all.
We got married abroad so yes all 12 of us family plus 4 more family and friends were in the same hotel and it all went fabulously well.
I wouldn't have taken them otherwise and yes I did it for the same altruistic reasons as you.... I wanted to give my family a holiday.

However I draw the line at sharing living space. We stayed in a hotel and we all had rooms as couples or family rooms.

They've all been so badly behaved and didn't put their best foot forward for you and yes you have every right to be annoyed.
All that was missing was the punch up between f and your mother . I was Waiting for that one.

Book a nice hotel/ apartment at Christmas for your dh, yourself and baby and sod the lot of them.

3out · 23/10/2017 18:42

It’s impossible for family holidays to be enjoyable events. You have to accept this before the ‘holiday’ (or honeymoon) even starts. It’s just an event you have to endure.

wonderstuff · 23/10/2017 18:48

You’ve hit the nail on the head, you can’t fix them. Having everyone together to thrash it out will only make matters worse. My mother has this need to fix, to take responsibility for others happiness and it’s exhausting to watch, I so wish she’d focus on herself, she’s never ever going to be able to achieve what she wants. Because you are so desperate to make everyone’s life easier you are disappointed when a) they aren’t grateful and b) don’t consider you. It’s unrealistic, you have to prioritise you and let everyone else sort themselves out.

Be3Al2Si6O18 · 23/10/2017 18:55

YANBU

But as to what to do I seriously suggest you become a scriptwriter for Eastenders or Corrie. You have it nailed and could draft some great storylines and character strategies.

Hoppinggreen · 23/10/2017 19:01

I scanned most of it but my over riding thought was
What the fuck were you thinking?
Have a lovely trip away (without any of them ) for your anniversary and just forget it

AJPTaylor · 23/10/2017 19:09

i genuinely could not get to the end. however why in gods name why would you invite your whole family on honeymoon. stop trying to solve everyones elses lives and pleasing people.

Jamhandprints · 23/10/2017 19:11

You write about taking your family on honeymoon as if it's a normal thing to do! Do you not understand what a honeymoon is?
"Honeymoon
ˈhʌnɪmuːn/Submit
noun
1.a holiday spent together by a newly married couple."
It sounds awful but pretty typical for a large family holiday. You ruined your own "honeymoon" by taking your entire family with you! Can you make it up to your OH by planning another holiday or weekend away for just the two of you?

FaveNumberIs2 · 23/10/2017 19:12

What that actual f*?

You never wanted to get married, you were doing it to please dh’s grandparents, then you end up having a large wedding with all the trimmings that you pay for, then pay for a “honeymoon” whereby you take along your, blended, family for kicks, including your father, his girlfriend, your ex-abusive mother and a group of other family members who don’t really get along ... in what world did you ever think that was a good idea? I mean, really? Are you on drugs???

Firstly, if you were getting married for dh’s family and convenience, (and admitting it was for tax reasons put me straight against you) then what was wrong with a registry office ceremony and a drink at a local pub??

Secondly, having gone through a big wedding, you, dh’s and child should’ve gone away on your own.

Thirdly, no matter what you do, you cannot mend families. You just can’t, so stop trying to, and concentrate on you, dh and your child.

Maybe you should’ve just told dh’s grandparents to mind their own business and leave you alone.

mansviewpoint · 23/10/2017 19:14

I have to agree with your husband that your mother is not safe to be near a child, it only takes 1 second of anger from her to cause a lot of damage. I'm guessing that your sisters (perhaps due to how they saw their mom's issues) believe that being irrational and hurtful are an acceptable way of communicating. If it were me, I'd have them individually around for meals, etc... but your boundary needs to be set, and that can be as easy as... I'm not having you round as a group because you can't get along with each other. I take it all of them are older than 16 and therefore should be capable of understanding emotions. Your baby is the most important thing, and frankly I think you and your husband's relationship must be quite solid, because your parents' (and siblings) problems could put a massive strain on it.

Jaxhog · 23/10/2017 19:30

What were you thinking?! There was no way this 'family honeymoon' was ever going to work. Make a little distance between you and your family if only for your own sake. You can't fix them, only they can do that. But you can create a new and more functional family of your own.

Painful though all that bad behaviour was, I think you need to move on. with living your own life with your (rather patient) DH.

treacletoffee23 · 23/10/2017 19:33

Step away. When families get together they often revert to old learn behaviors. You cannot force them to confront or change their behavior. For the sake of your own sanity concentrate on the health and well being of your own new family.
You cant control everything, even if you think your way is the best. Good luck.

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