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AIBU?

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...to be bloody annoyed that my family ruined my honeymoon?

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sparkleshine83 · 21/10/2017 22:09

It’s been long enough now that the edge of my annoyance has worn off such that I’m not actually furious furious about it and I wanted to find out what people thought of events and maybe get some insight from an outside perspective. And yes, that’s honeymoon, not wedding… so, bring your popcorn and your tuppence! Wink I don’t normally post much – I’m a bit of a lurker and went offsite for a while as part of a Mumsnet FB group, but I wanted to get a more general (and anonymous) response than from the guys in the group. So...

I recently got married after 14 years with DH, for a combination of tax reasons and because DH’s grandparents really were pushing the ‘we’re old and want to see him settled down(!), it’s important now there’s a baby for stability’ motif.

Our joint income is higher than everyone else’s on my side of the family – my family is working class, his is middle class. Because my side of the family have no money, every event is penny-pinching and causes stress and money worries for everyone. I wanted to alleviate everyone’s worries (more on this in a bit), so I (we) paid for more or less everything. We paid for the hen night. We paid for all the bridesmaid’s dresses etc. And we paid for a honeymoon which, rather than a romantic getaway, was a chance to get the relations on my side of the family who might otherwise not have been able to have a holiday in the summer out to Cornwall. I asked folks if they would like to go, they said yes.

The wedding was fantastic. Okay, there were a few minor issues, DH’s grandfather getting drunk and hypercritical, my sisters backed out of singing at the last moment and they could not manage to get their act together about shoes in time (that I was paying for, so it wasn’t money that was the issue) so we ended up having a last minute stress about that, but all in all nothing that you couldn’t expect as normal levels of issues from a wedding and it was a really wonderful day.

On the honeymoon, we started off heading up in a minibus and a flaming row broke out between my dad’s girlfriend, let’s call her F, and my youngest sister S at a service station. In retrospect having heard what happened I suspect that it was a combination of miscommunication, F being anxious and nervous and S being easily wounded and unable to forgive but more or less F at fault. F was having a go at S whilst S was holding the hand of her (and my) 3-year-old niece. My DH walked said niece back to the minibus. I spoke to them, not taking sides, but just said, “Please can we not fight?” F turned round and told me to go away, before I had a chance to react (in disbelief) S said she wanted to go home now and F, not to be outdone, declared she wanted to go home as well. I walked off and went back to the minibus, explained to folks what was going on and my dad went out to referee.

Eventually they came back and I was told it had all been ‘sorted out’. Great, I’m thinking, a hiccup and then we can get on with having a great time. My family are usually very close-knit and can be very supportive and loving, and I had this (highly unrealistic) fantasy that everyone would have fun on the beach, be happy and have a great time.

We get to the campsite (it’s a Tuesday). There are two lodges, the ‘honeymoon’ one and a normal one, both three bed sleep six. I have said already I don’t mind who is where but I would like to go in the honeymoon one. There is my dad and F, my mum, my sister M, my brother in law J and their two kids (the nieces), me, DH, our baby, my sister S, my sister B and two dogs. Only the non-honeymoon lodge takes dogs.

First off my brother-in-law J and B have a row whilst unpacking bags at the non-honeymoon lodge. B said he was sharp with her, M agrees he can be very cutting and rude but that he had reason to be irritable due to the stress of the journey and the fact that S was suddenly thrust on them as an unexpected guest. She refuses to stay in the same lodge as F (despite it being ‘all resolved’), and he feels it is overcrowded (and doesn’t deal well with the unexpected anyway). F is now with me, DH, my dad and the baby. No one has asked me if I’m happy on my honeymoon to stay with the woman who told be to go away on the honeymoon I paid for, but I’m like, okay whatever, I just want peace. I’m also really astounded that B has burst into tears over a tone of voice, but, okay, it’s been a long journey, people are stressed etc etc and I love them both and assume it will all resolve come morning. There are now 7 in the six-berth lodge with S sleeping on the sofa. B can’t come up to our lodge because her dog will panic without her so she has to stay at the dogs-allowed lodge. My mother can’t be in the same lodge as F because this would be weird and awkward, and M&J and the nieces don’t want to move as they say they don’t want a clash between our routine and ours – basically our baby wakes and wakes their kids up, their kids keep our baby up etc (reasonable enough). F apologises to me that evening.

Day two dawns. B and S are withdrawing from everyone due to the stress. We decide to leave the drama and go enjoy ourselves at the beach. Day three we go off to the Eden Project with dad, F, M&J and the nieces. We hear that B is chaperoning S who is still upset about F’s behaviour and wants to avoid her. B and S have been rowing with J. M has been just trying to keep her head down and keep her kids happy and having fun. My mother is honestly veering between stressed and enjoying the drama. She wants to ‘have it out’ with F for upsetting her baby daughter and says she only hasn’t to avoid further stress.

Now at this point, it is Thursday and we have only two days left as we will be travelling back on the Sunday. DH and I haven’t had any alone time yet at this point. I had stupidly assumed that it wouldn’t be that difficult to snatch an hour or two with so many adults about to babysit but this hasn’t happened at all. My dad and F are in the same lodge with us so can’t look after her there – they’d need to head out for a bit to give us time as well. My mother is out of the picture as she was an abusive and violent parent. She’s improved now, I’ve mended my relationship with her and forgiven her but DH is absolutely not willing to risk that she might hurt our baby. I don’t agree with his assessment of the risk that she would – she only hit older kids, not babies, and I really don’t think she would dare try it now – but I 100% support him and agree he has every right to be uncomfortable about it all. M has her own girls to look after.

As we come back after the Eden Project S volunteers to babysit tomorrow (Friday) evening with B. We haven’t actually asked anyone, not wanting anyone to feel like their presence here has to be paid for by babysitting or anything. I’m really grateful and thankful and ask her more than once if she’s sure this is okay. So I’m working myself up, really looking forward to it and all and then my dad comes into the lodge and whilst we’re chatting, cooking lunch he mentions that B and S are ‘going to the pub tonight’.

Now I’m really ped off. I’m only a little ped off that they’ve cancelled – I know that S is stressed and miserable as she feels that F’s behaviour triggered her and reminded her of when we were kids and mum was abusive. I know that B has been looking after her, missing out on fun to try to keep S going and upset at her altercations with J. But I am absolutely sodding furious that I found out like that via dad and that they didn’t even have the decency to ask me if it was okay to cancel or even tell me that they were and why. Not once does it seem to have occurred to them that this is meant to be my honeymoon. I assume they’re thinking it isn’t really ‘special’ to me as it was never my ‘dream’ to be married in the same way as some. But I had felt it was a bit special and I had hoped to come away with positive memories of an expensive holiday I paid for which was in part to celebrate our wedding.

So I’m furious, and text B asking if they’re still ok to babysit as I can see what is coming. The answer is no, ‘maybe tomorrow’ as they want to go to the bar today to de-stress. I am furious, again not with the idea of waiting until tomorrow per se, but the sheer thoughtlessness of their actions. That they just decided and went ahead with with their own plans without consulting or informing me. That they don’t think that after all the feuding, which I haven’t been responsible for, on what is meant to be a special-ish occasion I might also need this time out. There’s also the fact that there’s supposed to be a long trip planned tomorrow as it’s the younger niece’s birthday, and I’m under the impression that we would all be tired afterwards. And that given how flakey they are we’d be ditched again.

B is saying how it was a favour, she assumed it was flexible and she ‘didn’t remember that we’d decided a day for definite’ (we did). She’s blaming me for not giving much notice (again, they bloody volunteered) and says it’s my fault things have gone badly for bringing my family on holiday.

She then tells mum she has a migraine which is why she can’t make the babysitting, but apparently this is not enough of a migraine to not go to the pub…

So I end up in tears wildly texting my outrage on the beach whilst supposed to be having a good time. My dad at least apologises (daft given that he’s been least troublesome) and says that he does think we need a break. We’re talking about whether I could hire a babysitter, I have no idea where to take the baby and honestly wouldn’t feel comfortable about just taking her somewhere local I don’t know. We talk about going to a hotel, but I’m honestly not sure we can afford it given how much money we’ve put into this already. Eventually M comes to the rescue and volunteers. (She then hands the baby off to my mother, but that’s a whole other story).

The alone time is full of stress from the prior events, but at least we’re together. Saturday comes and S and B flat out refuse to come on the birthday trip for their two-year-old niece, which I honestly think is a bit awful – I didn’t refuse on the basis that they might show up – but I’ve kind of given up at this point. I’d hoped that the niece would have a wonderful birthday on holiday, but it ends up being a bit of a wash-out and M agrees that she did not have the day she deserves.

We get back home.

B ditches on her regular babysitting for me on Mondays starting as of that Monday morning, which gets me into trouble at work.

There is a long row on FB messenger. S and I thrash it out. I’m not entirely happy with everything she has said (mostly her insistence that a honeymoon is no more or less special than a holiday) but she apologised, explained she had been having issues with F for a while (she’s the youngest and they’re both fighting for dad’s attention). We agreed to take some time out for a bit and then be okay again. Everyone else has had a go about everyone else – to me – but no one else wants to actually raise the issues they have with one another in person.

B has basically refused to speak to me since. S has kindly stepped in with the babysitting.

In hindsight, yes, I should have spent the money on just me and DH. I don’t think it was my fault that the feuding happened exactly, but those times when family gel and are happy together just can’t be created on demand. That and B & S were not in the slightest bit grateful, as far as I can tell. I can only assume that they think that since we have more money than them, it didn’t cost us at all. We have a mortgage, we have our own costs etc etc.

We’ve had various family events since, and somehow, despite my saying I’m not okay with it, it has all ended up swept under the carpet again. People have issues with people but they’re never resolved and just keep cropping back up as b**ing behind people’s backs.

In hindsight again, I’ve spent far too long in my life wanting to fix my broken family (both in the sense of dysfunctional and in the sense of individuals struggling with depression). From the early years when my mother was abusive, I had this idea in my head that if I could somehow be good enough and do the right things everyone would be happy again. I have since realised, harsh as it is, that I cannot be responsible for making my family happy. I can’t actually fix people – they have to do that themselves. Even when we didn’t have a good income we were always ‘loaning’ people money which we never got back and I’ve been feeling for a while now that, whilst they do put stuff into the relationship, it’s all very, very one-sided.

It’s going to be my birthday soon, and I am seriously thinking of telling people that I don’t want any presents, only a family meeting where people thrash out their issues. I certainly don’t want a birthday where I pretend everything is okay. (On a side note I’ve been asked to organise a Halloween event because mine is the only house that’s free.)

I am also still really bloody annoyed that somehow, despite us paying for the holiday, despite her ditching on pre-agreed babysitting and making plans without even thinking about how we'd feel, B still thinks that I am in the wrong.

AIBU? And what do I do?

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Cupoteap · 22/10/2017 06:28

Grin radio

Op you are never going to get what you want. No one is going to apologise. So you either hang on to this and stop seeing them, or just move on.

Your expectations were too high, it was never going to work.

mimiholls · 22/10/2017 06:36

It wasn't your honeymoon though was it, it was a family holiday. Go on a proper honeymoon and forget about it

StrawberryMummy90 · 22/10/2017 06:45

WHY THE ACTUAL FUCK DID YOU TAKE EVERY MAN AND HIS DOG ON YOUR HONEYMOON?

^^ haha this sums it up really. YABU. Go on a proper honeymoon, your poor DH.

StrawberryMummy90 · 22/10/2017 06:46

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guinnessguzzler · 22/10/2017 06:54

As others have said, you need to take a step back and out some boundaries in place, if you want a chance of your own little family being happy.

Getting everyone together to thrash it out will not work. What can they say to each other that will make it all better? Sometimes you have to accept that not everyone wants to get on and all you can do is control your response to their shit. It is really unfair, you can't ever have the family relationships you really want, but what you can do now is set things up to keep your daughter away from this mess.

ivykaty44 · 22/10/2017 06:59

I’m shocked that you went on holiday with your separated parents and dads new partner and think that everyone will just get along great 😲

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 22/10/2017 07:01

I'm so sorry that your honeymoon turned out to be a bust because your family just couldn't handle themselves well.

I'm also sorry that things are continuing to be a bit shit - but frankly, your idea of getting everyone together to "thrash things out" is just going to make things worse.

As the oldest sister, the younger ones are likely to resent being "told what to do". Your parents/steps aren't going to want to deal with any of this either. Even if they all came, all it would do is turn into an even bigger bitchfest and more feelings would be hurt and more rifts would be the result.

I think your best option is to just keep yourself and your own little family out of the mess. Let them all get on with it, say you'll be there whenever they feel like contacting you, but other than that, Let It Go.

NewDaddie · 22/10/2017 07:04

YABU.

No good deed goes unpunished.

RedHelenB · 22/10/2017 07:11

Yabut. Your poor dh!

Oliversmumsarmy · 22/10/2017 07:17

Just because you have more money than your family doesn't mean you have to be constantly throwing money, holidays, parties at them to ease your conscious.

Someone said upthread that you maybe needed therapy. I think they are right.

You cannot change your family into the Waltons you can only change the way you respond to them. Throwing money in any form at them is not going to make them all happy at the same time

Roussette · 22/10/2017 07:20

Your update tells me, OP, that you still haven't really got it. Agree on the therapy, to raise your self esteem, and let the rest of the bonkers lot sort themselves out.

As far as your DH, are you honestly sure he enjoys this mayhem? Really really sure? Perhaps he's just saying he does for the quiet life, perhaps he's trying to make you happy.... but no sane man would want to spend his honeymoon with a bunch of warring selfish shouting screeching annoying people. Really not. What does he say now?

If you said you were going to step back from your family would he be relieved?

Something tells me you're just going to carry on with this 'fixing' because you're the eldest and earn more. Bizarre. I did read your post and I promise you they will never be happy, it sounds too fractured.

Why can't you 'hang out' with your own family, DC and friends?

Oblomov17 · 22/10/2017 07:24

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AlpacaLypse · 22/10/2017 07:27

OP practicalities... I have reported your original message to HQ so they will be able to edit out the name. You can do this yourself too - just report your own post and explain why in the widgetty box thing.

Meanwhile, for your birthday they are giving you presents, not a walk on part in the ongoing saga. And you are not doing anything for anyone re Halloween unless your own dc wants.

SabineUndine · 22/10/2017 07:36

Honestly? You sound as though you expect people to behave the way you want because you’re paying. I wonder how many of your family went on this holiday because they didn’t want to offend you. It sounds too as though there were too many people in the space you had with no room for flexibility. I would back off and let people sort out their differences themselves. Or not.

SecretSmellies · 22/10/2017 07:39

That was really hard to get through.

  1. You are an adult now with a husband and a child. They come first. Every time.
  1. You will destroy and smash to smithereens your relationship with your husband and your child (maybe not now, but eventually) if you spend this amount of time and emotional energy trying to fix this dysfunctional relationship with and between your family.
  1. Get therapy and back away and install some boundaries- for your sake, for your DH and child's sake. Please. do it now. I know of what I speak.
NewDaddie · 22/10/2017 07:43

And another thing OP, just because you’re the eldest doesn’t make you responsible for your mother’s past nor does it give you the right to be sanctimonious (sorry to be harsh but that’s the way it can be taken). Back off and concentrate on your own nuclear family, the less you do for your family the more they will start to appreciate it.

Oh and your cipher needs improving using initials for first names is dangerous. But since you’re too nice to give them nick names I’ll help.

S = Sugababe
B = BitchyMcBitchface or just Bitchface
M & J = Ms & Mr Sharp
F = Raine Spencer

SecretSmellies · 22/10/2017 07:43

And please don't call a 'family meeting'. Jesus I had to sit through enough of those when I was growing up, and it always but always means more screeching, more resentments ad more flighting anger and hatred.

Again...back off......... And stop with the throwing around your cash- you know why you are doing it, to ease your conscience but bet your bottom (and last) dollar your family think you are showing off.

Time to cut the umbilical cord OP. You have a primary family now. Make sure they are not bit players in your drama.

cozzietoes · 22/10/2017 07:44

It’s not a honeymoon if you take half the country with you.
What a terrible idea.

NewDaddie · 22/10/2017 07:48

@Oblomov17

If OP is a troll than she is the JK Rowling of trolls. I think it’s real.

putdownyourphone · 22/10/2017 07:48

What did your DH make of your family honeymoon idea??

It's a long and confusing post - but honestly you dug your own hole by inviting them away with you. You know that now.

LML83 · 22/10/2017 07:49

you were not unreasonable to expect your family to behave on holiday I have been lots of big group family holiday and it's great.

I would also have expected one of them to babysit once. And I would have been livid at sister for offering then changing her mind. Even more annoyed at other sister for taking dc then passing to gran.

There is no excuse, but talking won't help they won't acknowledge what went wrong. I think sweeping it under the carpet is best option. And you shouldn't celebrate birthday or halloween with them unless despite how they behave you want to.

Time will allow it to blow over, just don't agree to such an intense amount of time together again.

SecretSmellies · 22/10/2017 07:50

Op- honestly.I think it's good you are writing here because you can see how horrified people are at what you clearly think is fairly normal.

My DMother could have written your post way back in 1971 when she got married- right down to the taking her parents and sisters on her honeymoon. She is still in people-pleasing mode where her family is concerned and threw me, my sibs and my DFather under the bus a thousand times in order to try and please them. Please PLEASE don't end up like that. Please.

Tainbri · 22/10/2017 07:50

Oh Goodness OP. What a nightmare and I feel so sorry for you as you were trying to do the right thing. Your family has totally used you and stitched you up. I feel for you but I feel a lot more for your poor DH. Your money has been used in your terrible family. You owe it to your DH and baby to back away from them. No more funding them or Halloween parties. They're totally ungrateful whether it was your honeymoon or not, you paid! You're being taken for a fool by he lotnof them. Flowers

HeteronormativeHaybales · 22/10/2017 07:58

Quite apart from the whole ridiculous idea of taking all your family on honeymoon in the first place, I cannot get past the fact that you took your mother, who was abusive to you and whom your dh does not trust to be alone with your child!

I haven't RTwholefT but I wouldn't be surprised if someone had mentioned FOG.

The whole incident seems symbolic to me - of you carrying your dysfunctional family of origin through your life, letting them permeate and dominate areas which should rightly be just for you and the new family you have created, clinging desperately to some idea that you are the one it is down to to sort this (survivor's guilt?) and if you just tried hard enough it would all fall into place and turn into an episode of the Waltons. It seems to me that each one of those many people in your post has enough issues to make a normal healthy relationship next to impossible. And you want to bring all of them to the light by requesting a family meeting for your birthday?
I think the Al-Anon credo is quite suitable for this situation - you did not cause this, you can't cure it and you can't (however strong your illusion of being the capable one, the one who got away from the crap and owes iot to them all to be on a permanent peacemaking mission) control it.

That wasn't your honeymoon. Let it be your epiphany. Wake up, get some good therapy (I wonder if schema therapy might suit) and start building boundaries, really good solid ones.