To think there is a group on MN deliberately trying to downplay the institutional oppression of women?

[PerryPerryThePlatypus]

I've been hanging around these here parts since Pom Bears were just a bizarre crisp but more and more I see posters chipping away at other posters experiences, feelings of unease etc. It's difficult to articulate but it's just a shift from NAMALT to women are just as bad so stop complaining. An almost subtle silencing.

What's an MRA?

Men's Rights Activist (I think)

If I see a thread about dv my first instinct is to not chime in with 'well I've been in relationships for 20 years and I've never experienced dv. Are you sure it happened? What did you do? Not all men are domestic abusers you know.' It wouldn't add anything to the discussion and would appear to both minimise other women's lived experience and make them somehow culpable for what has happened to them. Yet other posters do have that first instinct if they see a thread about violence and sexual violence and harassment towards women.

I agree OP, seeing it more and more.

I think some MRA's post here with an anti female agenda.

I also think some women with an anti male agenda, post here pretending to be male/MRA posters, especially the trolls with very obvious 'male nicknames'.

It's the internet. No-one knows who anybody is or why they choose to post here.

Yes (to poppl) anyone struggling to reconcile an interest in trans-inclusionary feminism with their broader feminist ideals finds themselves in an interrogative situation, with rigidly framed and not very mature questions fired at them.

"Pannn it's fucking boring when you're trying to have a discussion and ten posters are picking apart everything you write and yelling at you."

That's happening on all sorts of threads - look at various ones (mainly in AIBU and Site Issues) about MN styles and posting standards.

I'll probably be accused of 'whatabouttery' for posting that.

But I see it as an MN-wide phenomenon, and that pegging it to just one topic is the error.

(I've been accused of being an MRA in the past, btw. I thought it was very silly accusation, and just carried on being me. AFAIK it's not been repeated)

Have to ask what is NAMALT? I'm thinking 'not all men something'

I hate the responses to this type of thread

Op: i hate it when sme MRA pretend to be women and post on here

Poster: ahhh so you are saying that anyone who disagrees with you is a man

Op ; no, just that some MRA are on here with an agenda

Poster: aaah so just because some posters engage their thinking skills/logical (insert your yay im so clever compliment of your choice) you think they are men

Op;

Having said that i do hate the assumption that occurs on some threads of 'i think you are a man'. But it doesnt happen often...just too often

It does seem to be this way. Of course theres a chance its simply a bunch of people who do have very different opinions but there seems to be an absoluely deliberate attempt to patronize and belittle other posters who do not go along with the 'women do it too' derails...like...it doesn't seem to be arguing your point or anything, more maing a joke out of male violence and the likes and constant trotting out of myths/derails or the likes. Many times going right from one to another, for example it will start off with 'women do it too' and posters will say they know this but that doesn't stop it being a male problem overall, and then it will be 'but not all men', then straight onto a link of a case where a female attacked another female...etc

Have to ask what is NAMALT? I'm thinking 'not all men something'

Ooh, been accused of being one of these as well so I'm getting the hang of these acronyms now.
Not All Men Are Like That.

Thanks krtytens - am I allowed to laugh at that

Not all men (at least two) ??

Zeppelin - Are Like That

I do think some alt-right men do post here, but you only have to look at the number of women who buy the DM to see that there's a large group of women who hold, or at least tolerate, misogynistic attitudes (it has more women readers than men readers, the only major paper which is such). Things have got worse (in my opinion) since the DM started reporting so much about MN threads. There's more posters who tolerate the kind of male behaviour that feminists criticise as Patriarchal. However, that's the nature of the site being open membership. Perhaps MN has just become more representative of the general population.

Sorry but trying to derail the thread - it's just hard to follow if you're not up on the acronyms.

Thanks, have seen it a few times on here and couldn't quite figure it out.

Delta, I've been here almost 7 years and MN has always had a large Daily Mail readership.

It's definitely the most linked to newspaper on here and IME always has been.

"I think there are a lot more men posting, including some who have come here en mass from other sites to cause disruption. But sadly there are also a lot more men-pleasing women posting, possibly partly because there are more men around to please.". I think thats true, sandsnake.

I also think that poster who claim that their opinions are dismissed are very often stating irrelevant facts to derail the conversation. If we are talking about women being raped, or not given promotion or not taking part in sport, to charm in with 'it happens to men,too' is is trying to derail the thread.

I do get pissed off with the attitude of some women on here that all men are evil creatures conspiring together to stamp on women. Mwahh haaa haaa

The thing is, not all men are like that...

MissWilmotts that's why I think some of the 'obvious male posters' are female PBPs/trolls, trying to stir up anti-male poster sentiment.

Disclaimer:

NAFTALT (Not All Female Trolls Are Like That)

What I mean is that if posters disagree with the op (even mildly) they are attacked. No alternative to the prevailing orthodoxy is allowed.
I'm not a man or a 'man pleaser' and even agreeing with the above statement makes me nervous.
Some of the men who come on here are twats but people should ignore them rather than give them the attention they want.

I also think that poster who claim that their opinions are dismissed are very often stating irrelevant facts to derail the conversation.

If you mean me, you'll find I answer to stuff like (this is one example)
"Every woman I know has been assaulted. Surely there's no woman out there who never has been attacked? Is there?"
I answer (or was it supposed to be a rhetorical question?) I've got to the age of 40, lots of male role models in family, and have only come across as nice men when out and about and never been assaulted.
Result - accused of lying.
Why ask if you don't want to hear other experiences? We don't all have the same life situations.

VivienneWestwoodsKnickers

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3060692-Are-most-men-creeps-under-a-thin-veneer-of-civility?pg=5&messages=100

Spot the MRA on this thread. Look fr someone who will constantly take the piss out of women, and try to centre themselves in the discussion constantly, and generally be very childish...along with 'NAMALT'ing all over the place

I wondered if it is connected to the upsurge in general rudeness, or at least reflected in that. I was reading a thread about something totally innocuous, nothing to do with feminism, and the first three posters were bizarrely takedown and imperious, all had some vaguely feminine-sounding name followed by a number.

The three together were so striking I did wonder if it was anti-feminist male who'd for some reason wandered off their normal boards and started commenting on housekeeping (or whatever), they all sounded like that awful kind of threatening/threatened male who can't resist an opportunity to tell women they're wrong.

I'll try and find the thread.

HornyTortoise thank you, will have a read