I think the golden rule for men should be...

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AuntLydia those were both relpies to this thread.

Exactly mrsTP

I don't understand why some people find that so difficult to 'get'

I barely ever say that I’m a man on here, because it’s hardly ever relevant. I deliberately didn’t choose one of those ‘look, I’m a bloke’ usernames, because I think they’re wanky.
I knew things were bad, because members of my family have been assaulted and pestered by men, including my daughters.

Listening to the experiences of women on MN generally, plus all the recent Weinstein stuff, has shown me just how bad it is. There is a huge problem with men in general in our society, and I’ve no sympathy for anyone trying to turn this type of thread round into some moan about ‘Woman who hate men’ thing. I’m not surprised that women are angry; I’m just surprised that more aren’t actually livid about this. It’s the daily harassment while just going around everyday life, as well as the actual life threatening violence.

To be honest, I don’t know what to do or say.

I think if some men are listening then that is a start.

Definate words of wisdom.
Or don't say anything to a women that you wouldn't say to a 6ft tall 6ft wide body builder

cockacidel

There are some men that understand and listen on mumsnet like yourself

And then there are those who pretend...and turn out to be twats after a few posts

They think they are clever but they aren't even clever enough to keep the charade going

Pitiful really

Sorry to hear about your daughters Cock. I worry about my son getting it wrong and I’m probably going to over parent on this and get it wrong to the other end of the scale and he will end up in his late 30s having never dated.

I think it doesn’t matter what your anatomy is it’s everyone’s responsibility to respect one another. The basics of all basics seems to me not to force yourself on anyone especially on a sexual level.

I think it’s time men spoke up with each other when they exchange shit like “oh I’d smash her backdoor in” and similar chat by saying things like “wtaf that’s disgusting” oh or if there pals are “gropey” on a night out they are called out on it. It’s up to the guys who think they are good uns to start speaking out as well. Not just excuse all this crap as a bit of lad banter.

I deliberately didn’t choose one of those ‘look, I’m a bloke’ usernames, because I think they’re wanky.

Cheers buddy.

I’m going to bow out, because I don’t want to centre the thread on me. I’m not claiming to be an angel either, because I have BPD and I can be an arsehole somerimes.
I only mentioned my sex as a point to ask other men on MN to stop minimising, stop becoming defensive, and stop negating the experiences of women. Instead of throwing NAMALT at women who have experienced this, try listening to them.

And I really worry about men whose first reaction to being told that women are routinely abused, harassed, assaulted and systematically expected to put up with it is:

Not all men are like that
Why do feminists hate men?
Why so many posts deriding men?
What we should do is... [insert thing that women have tried and doesn't work]
I'd punch them/say this thing/learn martial arts/do isolating things to stay safe
I don't see this

No shit, Sherlock. Although a disturbing number of the men who did this kind of shit to me, did it in public, around other men. I remember (can count on one hand) the men who stood up, made sure I was OK, dealt with the man in question, made sure I felt safe. Literally, I remember all four of them. So, thanks to those men.

So bloody true

Yes, it's a special type of asshole who responds to concerns about stuff happening to a group of people with "but what about meeeee?"

Abso-bloody-lutely to both your posts MrsTerryPratchet and also yours cockacidal. The reason these things anger me so much isn't because I 'hate men'. It's the opposite actually. I'm surrounded by decent men, good men who don't behave badly to women. I know we as a society can do better than this.

Harmlesschap - I know they are replies to this thread. I wrote the first one. You seemed to be taking the second at face value - assuming a woman had posted saying that it would be easier if men didn't speak to women. Was that not the case?

Or when you get articles saying don't get too close to women after dark and you get loads of replies asking why should they make themselves late etc. Deliberately missing the point that they don't have to give a 3 mile wide berth.

Though quite frankly, you shouldn't be getting too close to men either.

The MRAs have arrived with their terrible memes.

The MRAs have arrived with their terrible memes.

MEME WAR!!!

Hate it, and the The Rock rule* even more.

How about men just learn to speak to women respectfully, without having to pretend they're men in order to do so?

*just the rule. Love the actual Rock.

Ach i just thought it was funny

Also feeling the Rock love

Wait that sounds wrong

I too, like dh, love the Rock

How about men just learn to speak to women respectfully, without having to pretend they're men in order to do so?

Isn't it meant to be a thought experiment, rather than a 'rule' as such?

Yes mrsTP

I thought it was just a think before you speak type thing

Or thought experiment which sounds posher...and cleverer...er..er

@CockacidalManiac Don't leave because of the idiots. ((Cyber Hug))

NewDaddie STFU

TheMaddHugger

I’m not leaving, I’ve been here years.

This is a cap from a video this guy did - it's brilliant.