I think the golden rule for men should be...

[brasty]

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Oh brasty, don't be silly. You know girlies only talk about girly things! And they are all bitchy and stuff too. Men talk about important things

But one of the reasons I prefer male company to female is because of bitchy comments like yours

Lots of women think they prefer men's company when they are in their 20s. Then they grow up, become less sexually attractive/available, and discover the best and truest friends they have are all women.

Same thing at work, male managers are very encouraging of bright young women, as you get older and dare to take maternity leave and then suggest you might need to leave work on time sometimes and suddenly that interest disappears and at best you stop getting the opportunities you once did and at worse you lose your job for daring to procreate. Then you get to your mid 40s and look around and despite working FT all through your child bearing years you realise all your male contemporaries are at least two grades above you (and that's the mediocre ones).

I said the men and women I know want to talk about those things, not you want to talk about them. Unlike you I didn't generalize.
Not my problem if some women are insecure around another woman who is popular with men, for example, or don't like it that some would rather talk to men as many do because it isn't just me there's loads of them.
I've been all but hanged on this thread for no good reason and then you wonder why I'd rather talk to men. Maybe some women are responsible for turning others towards men if this is anything to go by. And tbh if someone like that is gonna attack me for having an opinion and a preference over who I wanna talk to and accuse me of being misogynist then I'll wear it as a badge of honour

This really is not about insecurity. Trust me, I have no desire to be popular with men. I love my female friends.

"Not my problem if some women are insecure around another woman who is popular with men"
Do people seriously still think like this? Blimey.......

Why do you take everything I said as personally aimed at you.

Great if you love your female friends but then why do you have such a problem with me feeling better around my male ones, there's no difference. You've all but accused me of misogyny whereas I've never said you're anti male for liking your female friends. This is a good example of why I do prefer them because they don't do shit like that.

Count Fosco I guess your comment could have been aimed at me as you quoted me but I'm not in my 20s I'm nearly 41 and have never had a best or truest female friend that's been any better than a male one. Again more generalising

My eyes are rolling so hard. This conversation has been done to death really, and to be honest to try and reduce a genuine issue to "you're just insecure because someone is popular with men"...a) thereby making popularity with men something to aspire to and be jealous of and b) assume that is what the whole discussion is about shows a really shallow grasp.

You have reduced entire sexes to a) football and b) hair, make up and bitchiness. Either you genuinely know women who are all exactly the same, which would be most odd (do you live in Stepford?) or you have just drunk the 'cool girl' cool aid and are happy to publicly sell your sex down the river to maintain the facade.

I was a 'cool girl' in my teens and 20ies. I was free and easy with the banter, the pints and the disparaging approach towards other women. I worked in yachting, the majority of my friends were male. But a few years of life, and perspective has changed that.

There's more than one way of seeing things.

That golden rule trivialises prison rape.

"You've all but accused me of misogyny whereas I've never said you're anti male for liking your female friends"
I don't think you're misogynist because your have men friends. I think you're misogynist because of the things you said about women.

Where does it say rape

Or is that what you think its implying

I thought it was more getting beaten up, but obviously thats just my take on it

Everyone is different

I haven't done any of the things you've said I've done I just spoke about my own friends as I've reiterated already and your experiences after yachting are personal to you alone. Mine are different, it doesn't make you right and me wrong

I'm not sure it trivialises it as it compares it to something equivalent- being made uncomfortable and frightened by someone who is stronger than you.

And who finds your consent irrelevant.

I have literally never met a woman who talks about hair and make up. Never. Men are much more boring. They really do talk about football. How stupid do you have to be to want to talk about that?

I couldn't care less what you think of me Bertrand because I don't think about you at all.

Billions of people globally love and talk about football Karlos including women, so therefore I guess you must be misogynist as well to call them all stupid?

Its not misogynistic to call some people who like to talk about football stupid

Bit rude maybe

"I couldn't care less what you think of me Bertrand because I don't think about you at all"

Good. As it should be. I was just explaining why some people called you misogynistic because you obviously misunderstood.

I think it would be better still if men simply stopped trying to speak to women they don't know in public places at all

There's a difference between speaking to a woman and harrassing them!
That's a road I don't want to go down - where men shouldn't speak to women that they don't know.
Where would that thinking stop? Women and men who don't know each other shouldn't speak to each other.
No chance. I like men. It'd be a pretty miserable existence if they weren't allowed to talk to us.
They're people too, FFS.

kyrten

A man said that

No women has said that in this thread

No women agrees with that

The man thought he was being funny

A number have people have quoted that poster but not one has come back to say anything about it being a mickey taking man saying it...

Yet...

Rufus- and I put money on it being quoted on another thread in a week or so as an example of "man hating"!

Yeah im not gonna take that bet bertrand

As i know i will lose

That golden rule trivialises prison rape.

Er, why? Because when it’s women being assaulted it’s mundane, trivial, inevitable?

Its not misogynistic to call some people who like to talk about football stupid

No, that's just being an arsehole.