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To think loads of people in Hollywood knew about Harvey Weinstein and dont want to admit it?

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ssd · 15/10/2017 00:07

all the shock and horror is getting on my nerves, are they really telling us this guy hit on loads of the woman there and was abusive towards them and no one talked about it?

sheesh

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EachandEveryone · 16/10/2017 03:30

You could say that about anyone though. I don’t think they are all in a financial position to turn down any film they choose.

I have it on good authority hebis one of the nicest actors out there. Has time for everyone. Doesn’t run off back to his trailer but likes to mingle with the workers. My brother hasn’t had a bad word to say about him.

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ssd · 16/10/2017 10:06

I dont think electing to work with Woody Allen can be seen as awful, Allen is meant to be brilliant at what he does. There arent many in Hollywood who seem like genuine human beings anyway. And no wonder so many Hollywood films demean women if me like HW are in charge of making them.

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ssd · 16/10/2017 10:10

Ben Affleck looks to be one seedy bastard as well.

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EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 16/10/2017 11:25

It's the hypocrisy

How many have publicly stated that they wouldn't vote for the misogynist Trump and were rightly so disgusted with the recordings yet haven't just looked the other way with the likes of WA or RP but have applauded and further championed their work

I do believe some have ruined their reputation they will still get work but the statements they released regarding HW were more about defending their not possibly knowing how could they than condemning his attacks

AmericanPastoral · 16/10/2017 21:54

EachandEveryone It's good to hear that he's a nice guy on set. I still think it's reprehensible to appear in films like Kingsman www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/kingsman-the-golden-circle-worst-moments How does the conversation go over breakfast with your nieces/female friends when you explain why you appeared in such films? Including Woody Allen films? Is he really so hard up to stoop to this? Maybe he could consider donating his salary from these sullied projects to charity ?

TheHodgeoftheHedge · 16/10/2017 22:01

I really have a problem with this logic:
I don't think electing to work with Woody Allen can be seen as awful, Allen is meant to be brilliant at what he does.

Being a good director does not mean it's ok to be a paedophile who abused his own kids and those in a position of care.

By this reasoning we actually shouldn't be mad at HW. He was very good at what he does - why do you think he had the power to do what he's done?

EachandEveryone · 16/10/2017 22:06

Annie Hall is one of my favourite films and I still love his early stuff. I was a teenager when I fell in love with them before all the scandal broke. Do I have to stop liking them now? It’s something that I do mull over.

AmericanPastoral · 16/10/2017 22:07

Enthusiasm - as you say, the hypocrisy is hard to bear. Only complete arrogance would allow the likes of Affleck to opine on how awful HW is while having acted pretty shamefully himself. And Casey Affleck continues his career untroubled by stories like this www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/matt-damon-russell-crowe-harvey-weinstein-sexual-allegations-fired-killed-story-a7991981.html Seth MacFarlane trying to claim some credit for making an oblique reference to HW at the Oscars. The same man responsible for this song this

AmericanPastoral · 16/10/2017 22:13

This article is very good at calling out the hypocrites and explaining how the Hollywood machine works and its connections with the media.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 16/10/2017 22:14

I think China Town is a brilliant film

I think James Brown was an amazing performer and Michael Jackson

Would I sign petitions to have kept them from being prosecuted or for that to be overruled just becuase they have created great music or film absolutely not

wasonthelist · 16/10/2017 22:16

YANBU - just as loads and loads of people knew about Saville and the others at the BBC. I knew about Saville from a journo friend - no way half the BBC didn't. It has to be the same for Wienstein and his outfit.

wasonthelist · 16/10/2017 22:21

BTW - Gary Glitter was convicted of having child abuse images on his computer in 1999. That didn't stop US Football teams from using his song "Rock n Roll pt2" at games - or Hollywood from using it in "meet the fockers" in 2004. THE NFL didn't suggest not using the song until 2012.

onceandneveragain · 16/10/2017 22:22

EachandEveryone "I don’t think they are all in a financial position to turn down any film they choose."

One of the stupidest things I've ever read.

CF - or any of these 'big name' stars - could turn around today and never do another film, and still have more money than your average person would earn in a lifetime. They could give up working today and still live a better lifestyle than 99% of the world's population.

They all bleat that acting is a vocation - well if that's the case you'd be as happy working in theatre as you would doing big blockbusters.

This is aimed at those in a position of power who knew the rumours and didn't speak out btw - not those who were directly affected by HW, whose choices and emotions about the incident I imagine would be more complex and who were perhaps more vulnerable.

Bluerosethorns · 16/10/2017 22:26

Obviously. They all knew. Think that's blatantly clear to everyone. Money talks and now they're all going through the usual motions of cute feigned horror. Not much point in going over it - old news. Main thing is why isn't that sack of shit hw in jail yet? I hope he gets a nice wife in there and learns how it feels to be powerless. I listened to the recording of him and the italian actress again today. Such a manipulative evil man. I've worked in America and in my opinion they are worse there than anywhere else. Skin crawls.

Bluerosethorns · 16/10/2017 22:31

Courtney Love in 2005 warning about him

m.youtube.com/watch?v=g70XbYd0bZ8

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 16/10/2017 22:39

This is a good article on the hypocrisy of Hollywood. The Casey Affleck reference is particularly pertinent given Ben Affleck's faux outrage at Weinstein's behaviour.

It's all just so grim.

EachandEveryone · 16/10/2017 22:52

films do get made though what would happen if everyone turned everything down because of this one linked to that one what would happen??

Bluerosethorns · 16/10/2017 23:00

@eachandeveryone what exactly do you mean by that comment?

southeastdweller · 16/10/2017 23:07

I think it's really insulting when people such as Meryl Streep and Emma Thompson categorically say they had no idea what he was up to. I'd have a tiny bit of respect for them if, like other actresses who've been around for ages and worked with HW several times, they tweeted bland statements (Nicole Kidman), or said nothing at all, like Michelle Williams.

I love Tyne Daly's comments in this clip about the hypocrisy of some people (starts at 1:47):

Bluerosethorns · 16/10/2017 23:21

@southeast couldn't agree more. It's patronising and insincere. They should say nothing if they don't have the balls to be honest. Kind of indicative of hollywood (american...) culture as a whole. They are so good at lying, manipulating and victim culture. Plus so much litigation which enables the abusers to carry on. Woody Allen, Mel Gibson, Mayweather, Roman P. All men who have abused women there and are given a working platform still.
I liked Jane Fonda's interview where she says she wishes she had been braver. At least she's honest.

hamburgler · 16/10/2017 23:23

I love the Kingsman films and I don't think they are sexist or demean women at all, in fact the opposite. Far more feminist than James Bond, who have become so much more misogynistic in recent years as to be unwatchable.

Bluerosethorns · 16/10/2017 23:28

@hamburgler - i don't think the actual films are relevant. This isn't about critiquing films which are carefully written and marketed to appeal to a particular audience. It's about an industry which allows sexual assault and rape. Which renders the actual films as not relevant in this regard. Films are fiction. Real people who have been harmed in real life are not.

hamburgler · 16/10/2017 23:34

Exactly. That's why I don't understand the harping on about those films.

Firth isn't a bad person because he made a film that some posters have a negative opinion of.

Films are a matter of opinion. Sexual assault is a matter of facts.

BlueSapp · 16/10/2017 23:36

Of course they all knew, and I don’t think he’s the only one doing it, it’s always portrayed as an in joke in American tv shows.

Bluerosethorns · 16/10/2017 23:38

@hamburgler got it, sorry. I think people are annoyed because they think of it as sleeping with the enemy type thing. But i guess everyone thought 'if i dont take the job someone else will'. I suppose no one was going to risk it, sacrifice their career when they didnt know if anyone would back them up.
If you listen to the recording he keeps saying 'just 5 minutes - i come to this hotel all the time' he obviously was all about appearance and wanted the staff to assume he was fucking all his guests. Not raping them. Its all just so sick. They created a monster i think. But they got paid for it.