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To think loads of people in Hollywood knew about Harvey Weinstein and dont want to admit it?

231 replies

ssd · 15/10/2017 00:07

all the shock and horror is getting on my nerves, are they really telling us this guy hit on loads of the woman there and was abusive towards them and no one talked about it?

sheesh

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derxa · 15/10/2017 17:07

I'm not saying it is a conspiracy at all. I am saying that it seems bizarre that NOW is the time for this to come out. It doesn't add up that is all.
What is special about NOW ? When would have been the best time for it all to have come out? The best thing would be that it never happened at all.

brilliantslight · 15/10/2017 17:14

Sorry I don't understand your post derxa.

What has inadvertantly come out of this awful revelation is women coming together as you can see on multiple threads at the moment trying to figure out how to move forward, as we can not carry on as before.

Olaf4fuxache · 15/10/2017 17:20

Kirk Douglas/Natalie Wood

CodeineAndCornflakes · 15/10/2017 17:28

Apologies if it came across that way.

The Jimmy Savile case was different to HW, as his victims were young children, a different era, and it would have been even harder to speak out about it. But anyone who was in his circle and spoke in hushed tones about what was going on around the BBC Studios yet chose to turn a blind eye, was almost as guilty as he was. And the same for HW's crew. There's no way that his friends, business associates, staff and inner circle were all oblivious to what has been going on for all these years. Turning a blind eye to abuse makes you complicit in it.

Esther Rantzen springs to mind. She openly admitted hearing 'green room gossip' for years about Savile, saying "It had only been one single child's word against the word of a television icon" but that it "wasn't relevant to anything I was working on at the time". What, not even CHILDLINE? Hmm
The woman asked the public for money to start a charity so that all children had a voice, while turning a blind eye to it going on in the same damn building she was working. I suspect the same thing of Hollywood too.

poppl · 15/10/2017 17:30

Yes I think you’re right that those who turned a blind eye were complicit and also at fault. I just don’t include his victims in that.

OVienna · 15/10/2017 18:21

I tend to agree there was a tipping point that brought it all out now. (I am cynical.) But it makes me sad.

EachandEveryone · 15/10/2017 18:43

How many others pay off people left right and centre? Loads if the gossip sites are anything to go by. I wonder if it will all start to come now?

HelenaDove · 15/10/2017 19:12

Age differences between actors and actresses cast in the same films by graph.

www.vulture.com/2013/04/leading-men-age-but-their-love-interests-dont.html

badbadhusky · 15/10/2017 19:22

Ugh. Just watched that Jersey Star clip on YouTube where Ben Affleck is all over the interviewer & constantly going on about her rack. It's revolting. What a lech! Angry

Sugarcoma · 15/10/2017 19:44

* How can a sexual relationship with HW and an unestablished young actress be consensual?*
*
FFS THE POWER IMBALANCE*

Oh please TheRollingCrone - this isn’t a teacher/child relationship -

These were adult women capable of legal consent - many of whom may have had a famous parent or friend in the industry already (Blake’s family are all actors; Paltrow’s dad was a director; Ashley Judd’s mum is a singer).

Are you suggesting all women in Hollywood are such delicate flowers they can’t consent to sleeping with someone to get what they want? Newsflash: some women do.

By claiming there was no consent you’re denying them agency and it’s ludicrous.

(Disclaimer: this is separate to the women who were actually assaulted - I’m talking about women who were happy to enter into a Faustian bargain)

TheRollingCrone · 15/10/2017 20:00

Where there is coercion IMHO there isn't consent. I'd be surprised if any actor came out and said "yes we had a quid pro quo agreement, sex for parts and I was happy with that 'cos you know Harveys a charmer and the best fun".

Shame on the industry that women were put in this posistion that HW behaviour became the norm.

titsbumfannythelot · 15/10/2017 20:01

For some reason I was labouring under the misapprehension that Ben Affleck was ok until recently. He too is grim as fuck.

I think HW probably has 'something' on the ones who haven't publicly criticised him.

TheRollingCrone · 15/10/2017 20:03

tits there is talk of videos/photos - that a "producer" would show to impress.

titsbumfannythelot · 15/10/2017 20:11

Jesus. It makes sense why some people may keep quiet. Sinister, sinister man.

CodeineAndCornflakes · 15/10/2017 20:13

When she signed for her first big Studio Contract, Marilyn Monroe reportedly said, "That's the last cock I have to suck".

Acting is such a competitive industry, the aspiring actresses know that if they say "No", there's 100 equally beautiful and talented girls in the waiting room who will say "Yes".

That's Hollywood. Always has been and always will be, sadly.

AnneElliott · 15/10/2017 20:21

I agree that people knew. It does happen here too with powerful men. We all knew about a really senior police officer ( not going to name him, but if you google ones who've been removed from their post you'll find him).

We were astonished when he was appointed to his last post, but I'm assuming that the person appointing him wasn't aware or thought it was just rumours etc.

TheRollingCrone · 15/10/2017 20:24

It's dark isn't it. I don't know how it feels to have a performers burning desire - to act,dance whatever. To live in a city full of aspiring wannabes waiting tables and working in bars.
Actors and performers are an unusual group. If HW was my boss (it's me &dd I feed her that's it) and it was "fuck me or face the benefit system" maybe I'd try to do something else, but if he held the one thing i could do - desperately wanted to do in his dirty little hands, I can't in all honesty say I wouldn't. Women are coerced into sex for less.
It's stomach churning. How many people has this man manipulated?

titsbumfannythelot · 15/10/2017 20:32

It really is. I couldn't say that I wouldn't either.

As a mother of daughters, I cannot comprehend the prospect of them being treated the way HW allegedly 'treated' women.

HelenaDove · 15/10/2017 20:43

"fuck me or face the benefit system"

This happens in low waged jobs quite a bit. With Universal Credit factored in im betting there are a few Weinsteins who will use the fear of it to coerce and harass.

TheRollingCrone · 15/10/2017 21:00

Helena I do not doubt it for a minute. sometimes I think just do it Trump push the button we're fucking all despicable

LouiseBrooks · 15/10/2017 21:13

Codeine I remember watching a documentary about Hollywood once and Ann Miller mentioned the first time she saw a Monroe film (Niagara I guess) and said that she recognised Monroe and realised she was a girl that various studio executives had taken to Hollywood parties. Miller said "she was a whore". I was gobsmacked at that comment coming from an old lady. Interestingly Miller signed her first contract aged 13 but pretended to be 18, with a fake birth certificate. Lucille Ball was her mentor so presumably she didn't have to worry about sleeping her way to a career.

CodeineAndCornflakes · 15/10/2017 21:29

That's tragic, Louise, Marilyn Monroe had a troubled life, right from her conception until her death.
A schizophrenic Mum, father unknown, made a Ward of the State as a child, grew up in foster homes and orphanages, and got married just after she turned 16 to an older neighbour, purely to avoid going back to the orphanage which she said that was the loneliest place, and she felt nobody in the world wanted her.
I imagine with her unstable, vulnerable background she was exploited repeatly by studio bosses, who knew just how desperate she was for a big break.

So to hear some judgemental old women reflect back and refer to her as 'a whore' is quite sad and infuriating.
I don't suppose Ann Miller had any scorn to pour on the multiple men who treated her like one?

Rainbunny · 15/10/2017 22:09

I'd rather all these male movie stars would just stay silent on this instead of this faux-hand wringing and feigned "shock." George Clooney, Matt Damon and Ben Affleck I'm talking about you! Of course you'll knew and it would be more honest to admit that and be honest that it didn't affect you and you were making a lot of money working with HW so it was easier to ignore it all.

Considering that Matt Damon and Ben Affleck both called a NY Times journalist in 2003 to tell her that HW was a really good guy (HW asked them to call her) because she was preparing to write an article exposing HW's sexual harassment, they would do well to shut the fuck up now and stop pretending they weren't very well aware of his behaviour.

Colin Firth has been a rare honest persona about this, he knew and he owned up and apologised for doing nothing at the time.

AmericanPastoral · 15/10/2017 22:44

Colin Firth has chosen roles in films which demean women - the Kingsman films - and elected to work with Woody Allen opposite Emma Stone as his romantic interest - he was 53 she was 23. He professes himself to be nauseated by Weinstein but not to the extent that it stopped him from collaborating with him on the King's Speech. His words ring very hollow.