To say that vegans can't really like food?

[DrRisotto]

I mean they don't eat most food so most cooking shows and recipe books are pointless for them. Going out for meals a chore. Birthdays, celebrations, dates... so much of is centred around food which they have to deny themselves and pick around.

I have nothing against vegans and everyone has the absolute right to eat what they want. But trying to cater for a vegan along with other guests is bloody hard work.

Reckon I'll get roasted for this.

Cheese" can be used to mean things other than dairy cheese, like apple cheese. It's wider meaning includes any food with a cheese-like consistency. Similarly cream, the word cream can mean anything with a cream-like consistency, like salad cream

Actually no, without an added descriptor the single words have specific meanings. Cream means "the thick white or pale yellow fatty liquid which rises to the top when milk is left to stand and which can be eaten as an accompaniment to desserts or used as a cooking ingredient".
When you add another word to it it becomes a different thing altogether (example salad cream).

Similarly butter, used on its own specifically means a pale yellow edible fatty substance made by churning cream and used as a spread or in cooking.

Words have specific meanings.

upsidedown: There are some very good glossy vegan magazines out now, with names like Vegan Living, and they have some great recipes.

Also check out the Vegan Food Pimp, aka Lynn Nicholson. She's based in Brighton and is an amazing cook. Her website is www.veganfoodpimp.com

She does a lot of events catering and also has a book out.

No one is saying that, for example, oatly cream is the same as dairy cream. It is a different product made from different things, of course it's not dairy cream. But it is oatly cream, a vegan cream. Just like salad cream is a cream for putting on salad. Vegan cheese isn't cheese, but it is "vegan cheese", a different product.

Weird how some non-vegans get so defensive about the use of descriptions like butter/cheese/cream when applied to vegan products. Do you regularly tell people who like peanut butter that it isn't "real" butter?

Similarly butter, used on its own specifically means a pale yellow edible fatty substance made by churning cream and used as a spread or in cooking

Peanut butter? See, that works fine.
Coconut milk? Ok too.
Faux fur? Fine.
Vegan cheese? What the holy hell. Cheese is our word, how dare the vegans use that without permission.

Proper LOL then Hiding

All veg fruit herbs spices
just no dairy or meats not hard at all

No way! When I followed a vegan diet I cooked far more adventurous, colourful dishes than I do now. You can't just fall into a rut of pizza or fish n chips every night, you need to really plan meals for nutrition. I miss it. Would happily go back if it weren't for me feeling mega weak on it while pregnant. Vegans can't rely on the rich flavours of meat so I find they really tend to know what they're doing with herbs.

Hiding you missed the point. Peanut butter means a peanut spread that is reminiscent of and spreads like butter. But butter, on its own, means a yellow substance made of CREAM. It is by definition dairy and can't be used for something else.

no, you can't have vegan cheese. Words have meanings. Unless of course you want meat eating vegans to be a thing, if we can just invent out own meanings for stuff?

What is vegan cheese meant to be called then?

Usually they spell it differently e.g. "cheeze" or I saw "cheezly" somewhere once.

It's called Gary.
Those who know, know .

They used to call is sheez or some other shit. It needs its own name because its a totally different thing. You can't just use a name that is already in use and describes something entirely different.

YABU. There is plenty vegan friendly meals out there. BNS Curry, risotto, veg bolegnese, veg chilli, stuffed peppers, gnocchi even pasta if you use dried to name but a few.

Like Easter eggs eh Andrew?

Log on to the Vegan society website for recipe ideas. I made their chocolate fudge cake for my nephew who is a vegan and it was delicious. Even the non-vegans couldn't believe it!

Most of the vegans I know are obsessed with food and really into cooking so I would say YABU.

Of course some people are not that interested in food but that goes for meat eaters too; I've met a lot of people who only eat a really limited range of food and those were mostly meat eaters (the amount of people who 'don't eat vegetables' always amazes me).

I seem to have gone off meat more and more the last few years and limit dairy as it doesn't seem to agree with my digestive system. This has coincided with me cooking more and more and getting really into trying different things so I wouldn't say it was limiting.

My DF though and my FIL are always banging on about how a meal is not a meal without meat; it's very tedious.

I'm a veggie rather than vegan but most of my baking is vegan (some has eggs but a lot doesn't) and I'm often asked to bake for parties and meetings by farmers who have no idea they are eating vegan food and ask have I given up eating rabbit food and sawdust sausages yet

Vegan cakes can be amazing. I think a lot of traditional cakes are quite boring tbh. I had some amazing vegan coconut pistachio cake in a cafe the other week and I also had some vegan rhubarb cake recently which was yum.

That's funny rivers; I find people often don't realise they're eating vegan baking as well.

Like Easter eggs eh Andrew?

Yes, exactly like that. You need the descriptor Easter otherwise you just mean actual eggs.you're catching on.

The descriptor is vegan, butter as you pointed out with peanut butter is to describe that it "can be spread that is reminiscent of and spreads like butter." So I don't see how vegan butter/cream/etc isn't acceptable.

Then I can't explain it any clearer, if you don't understand how words work.

And unless vegan butter is made of vegans, it isn't analogous to peanut butter!

Are Easter eggs made out of Easter?

Or salad cream made out of salad?