To say that vegans can't really like food?

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I mean they don't eat most food so most cooking shows and recipe books are pointless for them. Going out for meals a chore. Birthdays, celebrations, dates... so much of is centred around food which they have to deny themselves and pick around.

I have nothing against vegans and everyone has the absolute right to eat what they want. But trying to cater for a vegan along with other guests is bloody hard work.

Reckon I'll get roasted for this.

I have a teenage evegangelist for a daughter. Better for us, better for the environment... blah, blah, blah... doesn't like a counter argument. e.g. Almond milk - which she loves on her cereal causing drought in California (1 gallon of water per nut) alongside the deaths of millions of bees since most almond "farms" are not organic.

Veganism is fine, eat what you like. but dont make out it is good for the environment

'Shut up going on about how great being vegan is all the time, I'm still going to put butter in my beans, respect my choices! Fucking preachy vegans

Drunk already? No one said anything even slightly like that!

That is literally how every vegan thread goes ever.

Page that's really commendable that you care so much about eating In a way to cut down water usage, if you have any tips do share!

I do have tips thank you Sentimental - eat Scottish lamb, Scottish beef etc. Grass and silage fed, no air miles for them or their foodstuffs. And there is no drought problem in Scotland.

"I said it is real food, but often with stuff left out or swapped with something else."

Only if you think cheese/cream etc is a vital ingredient of the dish. You think that, because you like those ingredients and don't have any objections to consuming them. But clearly other people don't have to agree with you about that.

@BeyondThePage, any tips for people that don't want to eat meat?

That is literally how every vegan thread goes ever

But this isn't a thread about being vegan, lets swap recipes and talk about how great it is, that has then been hijacked by carnies saying all vegan food is shit.

this is a thread started by a meat eater about vegans not liking food. Now, you can disagree, that is what we are here for, but if you don't want anyone talking about vegan food and its merits, it is you that is hijacking and derailing OP's thread.
Bad form.

Only if you think cheese/cream etc is a vital ingredient of the dish. You think that, because you like those ingredients and don't have any objections to consuming them. But clearly other people don't have to agree with you about that

Which is probably why I clearly said in my opinion and according to my personal taste, you do not have to agree, don't you think?

Page - I'm not vegan

I don't like ordinary milk but I quite like to have a glass of hazelnut milk for example, I find it tasty.

However, I'm genuinely under the impression that the amount of water used to produce any other milk would be similar? Given the whole raising of a cow and use of other things, wouldn't it all cancel out as the same?

AssassinatedB - no, sorry, I make my choices based on my own likes - I eat meat, and on my own personal views on the environment - it makes no sense to import almond milk as a milk substitute (or soy milk, or coconut milk).

Oat milk would be a better choice I guess, since oats are grown here in the UK in areas of low drought risk. Though, I'm sorry, don't know if we grow enough to be "self-sufficient" as a country.

Slim - in this country we don't have a water problem, so it does not matter if it takes a gallon to make a thimble of milk - we also don't ship cows' milk in from California.

beyond almonds aren't great water wise but they are not California's main problem- that is animal agriculture.
The best way to save water is to go vegan.

So you're happy to accept that it's just your opinion and not everyone will agree with you @AndrewJames. It is not an objective fact that all vegan food is "real" food with things left out. For example, split pea dhal, vegetables and rice isn't a dish with diary/meat taken out or substituted.

It's absurd to suggest that generally vegans don't like food, given the vast array of vegan recipes and ingredients.

Of course I am, as that is what I said. At pains to point it out, in fact.

I imagine lots of vegans love food. And lots dont', same as anyone else. I was merely pointing out the logical impossibility of a vegan eating more different foods than me. Not possible, since I eat the vegan food, plus literally everything else.

Whatslove - that is fine, but I do not drink milk from Californian cows - Californians do - the burger analogy is also a touch false - the herds in California are mainly dairy - and as with elsewhere in the world, most dairy cows are kept near their home-market.

Most almond milk is exported - to people like us.

Thousands of delicious options if you can be bothered to get out of the habits you've had all your life. Pinterest Vegan Ideas is a good place to start.

If almonds use 10% of Calfornias water and livestock uses 50% that doesn't tell us anything unless we know several more things. How many people does that livestock feed compared to those almonds, for example? My guess is that relatively speaking, almonds still use far more water once you scale it to almost any relevant parameter.

but almonds aren't exclusively eaten by vegans and all vegans don't eat almonds

sorry that made no sense I didn't mean all vegans don't eat almonds, I meant not all vegans eat almonds. Sorry

No, so we also need to know what the almonds are being used for (and the livestock), where it is going, and much more. Those figures are meaningless as they are, and can't be used to prove either almond milk or livestock are either good or bad for the environment per se.

Be wary of oversimplified figures on a picture claiming to prove anything at all!

But do you, AndrewJames? How much plant-based variety do you actually consume? All the vegans are "missing out on" are pig flesh, cow flesh, sheep flesh, fish flesh, fowl flesh, bovine mammary secretions and bee puke, pretty much.

Loads. Absolutely tonnes.
And that isn't all they are missing out on. For example, I'm a baker. I can and do make vegan bakes. But maybe 6 or 7 things, compared to literally thousands and thousands of recipes that use animal products. And yes some of them could be adapted, but they are never as good and most can't be adapted at all.

there is nothing at all wrong with excluding all animal products from your diet. But you then can't claim that there are things you can't have! Your diet is by it's definition restricted. sure you are still left with a lot. But there is also a lot you can't have.
this is pure numbers, not morals or opinion.

(by the way your list is missing lots off it)

Andrew "Those figures are meaningless as they are"

this is something I really wonder about. Again - reminding people I'm not vegan - I can't see the logic that raising animals for humans to eat/make other stuff from is more environmentally friendly than being vegan.

I really do think it's commendable when someone has strong beliefs and follows them through with actions. If you eat a low water diet then I think thats amazing, it must be really hard to resist all those imported goodies.

Veganisms focus isn't water consumption though, it's focus is the animals and I'm not really bothered how close the cow is to the home-market I still don't want to drink her babies milk.

Personally I don't drink almond milk, but that has nothing to do with my veganism I just don't think its good for the environment.