To say that vegans can't really like food?

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I mean they don't eat most food so most cooking shows and recipe books are pointless for them. Going out for meals a chore. Birthdays, celebrations, dates... so much of is centred around food which they have to deny themselves and pick around.

I have nothing against vegans and everyone has the absolute right to eat what they want. But trying to cater for a vegan along with other guests is bloody hard work.

Reckon I'll get roasted for this.

This is the definition of veganism according to the vegan society

'Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose'

Ah, what a funny exclusive club, then!
I know loads of people who eat like vegans but not for those reasons.
Luckily the don't live in Britain so they can ignore those club rules.

You know that veganism is a protected characteristic under UK legislation

HOW?? Please give link.

Lljk

I'm not really sure what your point is. That is the definition of a vegan, it's not an exclusive club, anyone can join but that's the definition.

You can avoid animal products and not be vegan, it's called being plant based.

l2b.thelawyer.com/vegan-rights-uk/

AND, it seems you HAVE to do vegan for animal "exploitation" reasons. That is in the Vegan Society definition, it seems. The reasons why are what makes you qualify, not just the habit.

Very exclusive club, then!

This is why I stopped being vegetarian. I HATED people assuming I must be an animal rights zealot. You can keep your poxy definitions & club rules.

What's wrong with not wanting to exploit or harm animals?

You know that veganism is a protected characteristic under UK legislation

It is, but it shouldn't be. The examples given are ludicrous.

I agree that the OP was goady, but the people saying things like 'crisps are vegan' or 'I had a vegan curry the other day and it was delicious' are surely missing the point. Not even the OP is suggesting you'd need to hate food in order to eat ANY vegan food. But that it would be difficult to be eat vegan all the time if you really like your food, because you have to exclude so many things.

Fwiw I love lots of vegetarian food and could pretty easily give up meat, but I'd find the idea of also giving up dairy and eggs as well very disheartening long-term.

Chips?
The best ones are fried in beef fat
Beans on toast?
without butter on the toast and parmesan on top? Nah.
curry and rice?
I'll give you that, there are nice vegan curries. But the better ones have ghee or cream etc, and without a peshwari naan...not really the same
Nachos?
Again, no cheese, or sour cream.

Vegan food is real food with stuff left off, for me. If you don't feel like that, that's fine too. My opinion is as valid as yours though!

Yes. That's the definition of being vegan. It's not a diet.

You can have a diet where you don't eat animal products and not be vegan.

If you have a problem with the definition of what a vegan is there's nothing I can do to help you.

This is why I stopped being vegetarian. I HATED people assuming I must be an animal rights zealot. You can keep your poxy definitions & club rules.

You started eating meat just to prove to people you don't care about animal rights? Do you make sure everyone sees you eating steaks just so there is absolutely no doubt in their minds?

Gosh and they say vegans are unhealthy.

Beans on toast?
without butter on the toast and parmesan on top? Nah.

God, it must be limiting being a militant meat/dairy eater! (This coming from someone who is a meat eater, by the way!)

Open your mind to the fact there's so much more out there.
Plenty of yum dairy free spreads out there that are indistinguishable from the "real thing."

Nachos with guacamole and salsa. YUM. Vegan.

Curries with cream in them - easily doable - you just put soya cream in. You honestly cannot tell the difference once it's in your curry.

Chips don't have to be cooked in beef fat to be tasty.

I don't know why people fuss about what other people eat. I don't eat processed foods at all but I never ask other people how they can possibly eat such disgusting horrible tasting processed junk that is totaly unnatural to eat. I just live and let live.

I am not vegan but dairy products make me hot and my throat hurt so I don't have them and nor do huge numbers of people across the planet.

It's not limiting at all, that's the point. I eat everything.

Why would I put revolting soya cream in when I eat actual cream?

Open your mind to the fact there's so much more out there

I do. Thats why I eat it all. Vegans don't. You seem very confused as to what more and less means.

People listing foods are doing it response to the op saying it's impossible to cater for vegans and a pp saying they would never cater for a vegan and people are merely pointing out that they probably serve and eat vegan food all the time they just don't notice.

Vegan food is real food with stuff left off, for me. If you don't feel like that, that's fine too. My opinion is as valid as yours though!

And nobody has suggested it isn't or that you personally have to give up these things if you like them. The point is that there are plenty of easy vegan options that can be prepared for a guest for one meal.

I really don't get the hatred for vegans.

The only vegans I've known who are vocal about it is teenage girls who jump on it as a 2 week wonder.

It's just food, not vegan food.

If you can summon up a meal without meat / dairy you must be an appalling cook. If you've no interest in food that's fine of course, but no harm in experimenting with the odd vegetable OP - life isn't just meat and potatoes.

I eat mostly vegan at times, and at other times I eat meat. Tonight I'm having rare fillet steak stroganoff, tomorrow is salmon, then next week is mostly coincidentally vegan dishes such as Nasi Goreng, gnocchi with mixed spicy chargrilled veg, and maybe a curry.

I wonder if so much of the hate is because people feel somehow judged? I really don't care what anyone else eats. I just try to keep my meat consumption low as the welfare aspect bothers me.

The stupid arguments are pathetic - veg has feelings, farmers pest control, taking food intended for animals, farmers wouldn't keep animals as pets etc

At least have the courtesy to do some real research before coming out with utter bollocks.

What I'd like to see if the end of intensive animal farming, and a return to locally reared, farm slaughtered meat. There are large tracts of the country where it's not financially viable to raise crops, but sheep are ideal.

Surely it's possible to find a middle ground without either side resorting to extreme and ridiculous arguements.

Vegan food is real food with stuff left off, for me.

Sorry, not singling you out, I just find your viewpoint a bit strange!
This bit. Why is it real food with stuff left off?
You can make perfectly great vegan food for everyone, even meat eaters.
They don't even clock it's vegan as it's just, you know, an animal free dish.
Unless you're my Dad (Dad is that you?! lol ) in that case if every meal isn't meat and two veg then it's not proper food.

I am a meat eater, but am constantly amazed at how often people who eat meat seem to view a discussion about vegan food and veganism as some sort of personal threat to them. It's OK nobody is going to stop you putting cheese on your nachos.

You can make perfectly great vegan food for everyone, even meat eaters

Yes, by leaving things out or substituting them for other, generally lesser things. In my opinion and according to my personal taste.

I don't see why you are so confused. Make a list of everything I eat, and a list of everything a vegan eats and mine will be much longer. That's what MORE means.

but am constantly amazed at how often people who eat meat seem to view a discussion about vegan food and veganism as some sort of personal threat to them. It's OK nobody is going to stop you putting cheese on your nachos

I'm amazed that you are amazed, since no one is vaguely threatened. It's a discussion, with different viewpoints. Did you think everyone should answer with "veganism is the best thing ever" and nothing else?

But the thread is not about whether you want to be vegan, it is whether it is reasonable to not want to cater for a vegan guest. Answering by talking about how you think vegan food is not real food come across as frankly rather defensive. Nobody suggested you have to love vegan food, just that you should be able to rustle something up for a guest if requested.

Exactly, biglybadgers.

'Being a vegan must be so awful there's nothing for them to eat and they must hate food'

'No we love food and eat loads and are happy thanks'

'Shut up going on about how great being vegan is all the time, I'm still going to put butter in my beans, respect my choices! Fucking preachy vegans'

Actually it' s about whether vegans don't really like food, not about whether you should cater for them.

I didn't say vegan food isn't real food. I said it is real food, but often with stuff left out or swapped with something else.
There is nothing to be defensive about, we're just chatting about food.

The odd comment was a pp saying that the diet of someone who eats literally everything (seriously, I will and have try anything, no matter how weird) is more limited than someone who doesn't eat entire massive food groups. Which makes no logical sense.