To think my friend is mad for refusing to vaccinate?

[FannyTheFlamingo]

I'll admit, I'm a bit ignorant on this subject. My DD is nearly 1 and she's been vaccinated. It wasn't something I gave too much thought to, I just did it because I thought it was for the best.

My friend has done her research and says that she doesn't want to risk her son getting brain damage from a vaccine. She says if he catches something and dies, she could forgive herself, but she couldn't if something happened as a result of a vaccination. Is she mad?

I'm hoping MN users have differing views and are much better informed than I am. I don't want to convince her to change her mind, but would like to offer her some pro vaccination advice.

Or do I just keep my beak out?

Jlm151

I said I've never seen a vaccine injury. None of those things are vaccine injuries. You also forgot to include the young man who died of measles in Swansea in the outbreak there in 2013 among the 21 people who have died from measles in the U.K. in the last 20 years.

Has anyone stopped to think why GP's and health professionals don't speak out? Might they loose their careers? Suggest you look up Dr Russell Blaylock, Dr Suzanne Humphries, Dr Toni Bark, Dr Richard Halverson. Read some of their books. This is a good read too..
Vaccination Policy and the U.K. Government: The Untold Truth

"if we look back over the decades and note the lack of rampant epidemics in our nation, while remembering that vaccine protection is in perpetual decline, the myth of herd immunity quickly unravels. Our society has never achieved this level of herd immunity, yet not a single major outbreak of disease has occurred."

thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/healthcare/295562-if-only-half-of-america-is-properly-vaccinated-where-are-the

There was a Victoria Derbyshire clip on twitter the other day with a woman talking about her daughter, who was dying a slow and terrible death from complications after measles. She had measles as a kid, was then fine, but then 15 years later started having neurological problems and now it's basically like she's dying of dementia. She didn't vaccinate and she's having to watch her 20 something year old girl suffer and decline every day. It was heartbreaking.

Dr Toni Bark:

americanloons.blogspot.com.au/2015/04/1345-toni-bark.html?m=1

Read some of their books

Isn't it funny how all of the so-called medical professionals who are anti-vax have something to sell?

How can an unvaccinated child give a vaccinated child the disease If the vaccine is supposed to prevent infection? If the vaccine really works then the only children at risk are the unvaccinated ones -- whose parents made their choices and took the risks

That leaves out of contention babies who by definition can't have received all their vaccinations yet.

It's the whole attitude of 'ZOMG AUTIZMZZZZ IS THE WORST' that fucks me off, because its pretty fucking insulting to all the people with, or raising kids with autism.

I have a son with autism and this post is pretty fucking insulting, and ignorant.

Ask your friend how she will react if her child is seriously disabled as a result of a preventable illness, and in years to come blames her for her decision?

@jlm51 -You said the government has paid out billions in vaccine damage payments. But the DWP's expenditure figures (table 1a in www.gov.uk/government/publications/benefit-expenditure-and-caseload-tables-2017 ) report Vaccine Damage payments as negligible (less than half a million, I suspect) almost every year. Even including the one odd year where the payout was £60m, the total ever paid can't be much above £100m. But you claim billions (plural), so at least a factor of twenty above that. What's the source for your figure?

Has any anti-vaxxer stopped to think how it's possible that there's such a MASSIVE conspiracy involving clearly very powerful people, all the governments and pretty much all the doctors in the entire world, except of those few rogue ones who are brave enough to educate us - but at the same time those powerful people are not able to silence those few, and remove youtube videos?

Really? You've worked in paediatrics and haven't seen auto-immune conditions, cancer, neurological disorders, allergies, Gut disorders?

Jlm151, it's pretty obvious that someone working in paediatrics will certainly have seen all of those. What they may well not have seen is cases where those conditions are credibly linked to being vaccinated. If your GP husband believes that all those conditions are vaccine-linked, it's seriously worrying.

@notbadconsidering
Not sure what your point is with this article. This is just one persons opinion? Surly the hundreds of patients that she treats each year, and the results she gets for them are more valid?

OP, maybe your next thread could be about if you're being unreasonable or not for not wanting your PIL at your bedside half hour after giving birth.

You won’t convince her. Personally I wouldn’t want her unvaccinated offspring mixing with mine but that’s just me.

Measles mortality rates were mentioned up thread. I'm looking at the measles mortality stats and can clearly see a steady decline in deaths from measles from the introduction of the vaccine in 1968 leading to us now seeing only 1 or 2 deaths a year. Before the vaccine numbers fluctuate quite a lot and the decline then is, I imagine, due to improved diet and medical treatment post war (introduction of the NHS I am sure made a big difference to survival), however it is very clear that they only get really low consistently after the vaccine. It is also the case that mortality rates do not tell you about the lifelong consequences of severe measles from those that catch it and survive.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles-deaths-by-age-group-from-1980-to-2013-ons-data/measles-notifications-and-deaths-in-england-and-wales-1940-to-2013

True. You won't convince her and might as well go to a brick wall and bang your head against it.

Parents in other parts of the world watching their children dying because of no access to vaccines. Its a luxury to be able to choose not to vaccinate because herd immunity means her child is probably protected anyway. Of course herd immunity exists. Is this GP DH of your also doubting hers immunity? Seriously, where is this man pracisting medicine?

So we ignore the independent science then?

www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvaccines/scienceresearch/biologicsresearchareas/ucm127327.htm

www.globalresearch.ca/new-study-in-journal-of-public-health-finds-autism-and-cancer-related-to-human-fetal-dna-in-vaccines/5402912

Aluminum-Induced Entropy in Biological Systems: Implications for Neurological Disease
www.hindawi.com/journals/jt/2014/491316/

Aluminum in central nervous system: toxicity to humans and animals and autoimmunity
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23609067

soundchoice.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/DNA_Contaminants_in_Vaccines_Can_Integrate_Into_Childrens_Genes.pdf

I have a son with autism and this post is pretty fucking insulting, and ignorant.

You find it insulting and ignorant for me to say that autism isn't the worst thing that can happen to someone? Maybe you can explain to me why you think it is?

Jlm151

Surly the hundreds of patients that she treats each year, and the results she gets for them are more valid?

They certainly would be! I'll be fascinated to read the link you're about to post with good scientific reporting of such.

I think this graph was already posted, but it shows cases of measles since 1940 and again you can clearly see a marked difference in numbers after the vaccine was introduced and as take up increased over time. I really can't see how someone can claim the vaccine has no impact on the reduction in measles.

Seriously, where is this man pracisting medicine?

I would certainly like to know this so I can make sure I never go to them for treatment. I really would not trust their judgement in the least.

That graph starts in 1940. An earlier graph posted showed that shortly before 1940 it had already dropped dramatically.

@Grimbles I felt your post was mocking parents who seek to prevent their children becoming autistic, and minimising the struggles autistic kids go through.

This one