To not understand why people don't understand men cannot be raped by a woman?

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I've read a lot whenever this comes up on here or elsewhere, that it's 'terrible' and such an outdated view. Why is it? Why can't people understand what rape is? Men can be sexually assaulted by women, but not raped.

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I hear you. I do.

But it is vanishingly unlikely that a woman would do that. Really it is.

But even coming away from the legalities of this and the very valid considerations already explained numerous times on this thread, I still think that from an emotional perspective, it makes sense to keep things the way it is.

Men as a sex deserve to have rape be something only they can do, as it is men who carry out the vast, vast majority of serious assaults, on women and men.

Women as a sex do not deserve to be tainted by the horrible way that so many men conduct themselves.

And if men find my opinion distasteful, well they can do something to fucking sort themselves out!

And believe me when I think about the possibility of my sons ever being a sex offence victim I only ever really consider the offenders being male.

Men as a sex deserve to have rape be something only they can do, as it is men who carry out the vast, vast majority of serious assaults, on women and men.

The times they are a-changing now though, what pre-op transwomen committing rape and being sent to women’s jails.

I wonder what, if any, impact this will have on law making and public perception. It’s certainly going to skew crime figures.

Women as a sex do not deserve to be tainted by the horrible way that so many men conduct themselves.

But only people who rape be given the title rapist so innocent women and men can never be tainted with the title rapist

They can be tainted by the fact that they allow the conditions that perpetuate the problem. They can take part of the blame for a culture that perpetuates the problem. They can take upon themselves the responsibility to sort it the fuck out, rather than making it a women's issue to fix.

Why are people so keen to identify women as rapists?

Yes quite, BitchyRestingFace. This is a crucial time for women's rights and protections. We may not for much longer even have a protected status as a sex. We cannot afford to be complacent.

Why are people so keen to identify women as rapists?

Because very occasionally, some of them ARE. Being the owner of a vagina doesn’t absolve them from their crimes. Why don’t you understand this?

This is what I hate about a certain brand of feminism. This inability to accept that women also do wrong, and not all men are violent, rapey bastards.

Rape conversations and domestic abuse conversations.

Always with the what about the men comments.

Male violence needs to be owned by men.

MomToWed - re “Why are people so keen to identify women as rapists?.... Because very occasionally, some of them ARE.”

You are wrong. English law says that rape can only happen with a penis. Ergo women cannot rape.

This is what I hate about a certain brand of feminism. This inability to accept that women also do wrong, and not all men are violent, rapey bastards

Not all men are violent, rapey bastards but almost all violent and rapey bastards are men.

Ffs. The whole point of the majority of the conversation is that many people believe that the legal definition should be changed. It’s semantics. The dictionary definition is sex without consent, and there is a large group of people in the U.K. who agree that the law should reflect that point of view.

"This is what I hate about a certain brand of feminism. This inability to accept that women also do wrong, and not all men are violent, rapey bastards.".

Have you really taken from this thread that anyone thinks all men are violent rapy bastards. Really?
Or that women never do anything wrong? Please could you link to any posts that support this?

MomToWed - re “Why are people so keen to identify women as rapists?.... Because very occasionally, some of them ARE.”

You are wrong. English law says that rape can only happen with a penis. Ergo women cannot rape.

RTFT.

Not all men are violent, rapey bastards but almost all violent and rapey bastards are men.

‘Not all Muslims are terrorists, but the majority of terrorists are Muslims.’

Why is one of these sentences acceptable and one not? Both equally offensive. You sound like a bunch of miserable, bitter harridans.

“This is what I hate about a certain brand of feminism. This inability to accept that women also do wrong, and not all men are violent, rapey bastards.”

Your ignorance on this subject is clouding your judgement.

Nobody said women can’t do wrong. Women can do wrong. Women can (but very rarely) do sexual assault. However, women can’t rape because they don’t have penises.

Nobody said that all men are rapists either. Most of us have fathers, sons, brothers, husbands who are not rapists. What is said here and elsewhere on MN is that all rapists are men.

Read those two sentences in bold print a few times if the difference is not immediately apparent to you.

And that is why women aren’t taken seriously in discussion.

That and the condescending, patronising tone. It doesn’t make people want to engage with you.

“Not all Muslims are terrorists, but the majority of terrorists are Muslims.”

As someone whose family is mostly Muslim, I would say that sentence is perfectly acceptable and correct. Sadly.

What seems to be the problem.

"The whole point of the majority of the conversation is that many people believe that the legal definition should be changed. It’s semantics." Well, there are people-including me- who aren't at all sure about that. I won't go over my thinking again-you can easily find it if you're interested.

“the condescending, patronising tone. It doesn’t make people want to engage with you.”

Says the person of impeccable communication skills who just called everyone “a bunch of miserable, bitter harridans”

Mom- both of those sentences seem fine to me. Props to you for early use of "miserable" "bitter" and "harridans" though.

MomTo 96% of sexual offenders are men. Why do you think this is offensive to point this out? You can’t even begin to see how much your attitude contributes to rape culture.

And yes I am bitter that 85,000 women a year are raped BY MEN. I’m angry as well. Perish the thought a woman be cross about something. God this thread reeks of misogyny. FOTTFSOFO with our NAMALTing. Are you a mother of lots of sons or do you just have a load of internalised misogyny going on?

🙄 And so you carry on. Somebody’s opinion differs so you mock, patronise and act like dicks. You can’t see your own issues either can you?