To not understand why people don't understand men cannot be raped by a woman?

[TurquoiseChevrotain]

I've read a lot whenever this comes up on here or elsewhere, that it's 'terrible' and such an outdated view. Why is it? Why can't people understand what rape is? Men can be sexually assaulted by women, but not raped.

[Toomuchocolate]

Is it rape if a woman forces a man to insert his penis inside her?

[Ttbb]

Many people don't understand that rape in the legal sense is not the same as rape in lay terms. Legally, the offender of rape require penile penetration. In a lay sense rape just means forced sex. A man can be raped by a woman but that woman can't be charged with rape (unless she has a penis).

[TurquoiseChevrotain]

No @Toomuchocolate do you seriously think it could be?

[brasty]

Yes lots of women are forcibly penetrated by objects. This can cause much more physical damage. But it is not rape. It does have the same maximum sentence though.

[mothertruck3r]

So if a woman is forced to have sex with a dildo or other object instead of an actual penis against her will, that is not rape either? Seems it all comes down to legal semantics rather than anything else. Surely all those people commenting that it is "terrible" and an "outdated" view are talking about the act of being penetrated and its effect on the victim rather than the intricate legal terminology? They are not wrong in that case.

Am I understanding your AIBU correctly in that you would like people to use the legal terminology and correctly refer to a man who has been sexually assaulted as being "sexually assaulted by penetration" rather than "being raped". I think that is a bit pedantic if those having the discussion are legal laypeople. Not everyone is going to know or the exact legal definition during an informal conversation.

[DJBaggySmalls]

Rape is a specific act with a specific definition. Sexual assault is not less serious than rape.
If you think 'sexual assault' is a lesser act its you that has the problem, not the law.

[TurquoiseChevrotain]

This was a mistake. People aren't getting what I'm saying. Of course I don't care what victims would prefer to use. I never said that was an issue. It's people who feel sorry for the men that cannot legally be raped by a women and that the law is unreasonable because of this.

[Toomuchocolate]

I fully understand legally it is not rape, but I think it should be.

[lilyheather1]

I actually cannot believe the total fuckery displayed by the women in this article. Of course men can be raped you utter morons. Any sexual intercourse where one party, be it male of female, does not consent, feels unsafe to say no or is unable to consent is termed as rape under the CPS. How dare anyone diminish a victim's experience simply because of their gender. Rape is moreover defined by the absence of consent as shown in the Sexual Offences Act 2003.

Seriously ladies, educate yourselves ffs.

[TurquoiseChevrotain]

Why do you think it should be? Do you think sexual assault with penetration isn't as bad?

[TurquoiseChevrotain]

@lilyheather1 educate yourself

[Willow2017]

I understand what a penis is thank you but I dont think my friend was thinking "Oh at least I won't get an std or get pregnant" or " oh at least he isnt using his penis as a means of asserting his dominance over me" while he was ramming a bottle into her.
Penetration in a sexual way should be classed as rape. The intention behind the act is the same in either case.
Let's face it many people class sexual assault as a minor crime i.e. "he only grabbed your bum for a joke" they do not see sexual assault as anything as serious as rape. Time the law was changed to reflect the seriousness of the crime.

If the woman cited in rhe other thread had been a man who used his penis it would have been judged differently but because it wasn't a physical part of her she got sod all punishment.
That's where the law falls down. The man would have been as hurt and traumatised just the same as if it had been a penis possibly more so yet the sentence is a joke.

[BigMumma1245]

Presumably a woman who used to be a man can rape a man, as that woman would have a penis?

[DJBaggySmalls]

Rape is non consensual penetration with a penis, isnt it? Rape can only be carried out by a man.

www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/rape_and_sexual_offences/soa_2003_and_soa_1956/

[TurquoiseChevrotain]

Yes @BigMumma1245 a Biological man.

[brasty]

Sexual penetration by an object is legally never rape. This actually affects many more women than men. But the frothers always focus on the men.

[Rufustherenegadereindeer1]

lily

I have looked at the definitions and I can't see that that is the case in the uk

Can you link please

[SoupDragon]

Penetration in a sexual way should be classed as rape. The intention behind the act is the same in either case.

I agree with this. Not because of "only men can rape" but because of women who have been sexually assaulted in this way. Rape and "sexual assault by penetration" do sound different when they are equally horrendous. I think a redefinition would be beneficial to assaulted women and men alike (beneficial doesn't sound quite right but I hope you know what I mean!).

I do understand that is not what rape is defined as though.

[LongWavyHair]

Sexual assault is just as bad as rape. The poster who spoke about the (hypothetical) teenage boy being sexually assaulted by a group of women is just as serious as a teenage girl being raped by a group of men. But the term sexual assault doesn't sound as serious does it, when in actual fact it is.

Nobody has the right to do anything to someone else sexually if they haven't consented to it. That includes women doing it to men and if they do then they should get a jail sentence. Even if was "just " sexual assault.

[coddiwomple]

we should ask for a change in the current law, and not restrict the legal term "rape" as the use of a penis. Some countries include the use of objects in the definition of rape.

People have a lesser view of "sexual assault" because it has a very wide definition. If a man touches my butt in the tube, that is sexual assault (read the thread about most women being victims). It's not the same degree as a penetration with a penis or something else.

Rape does need a new definition in this country!

[DeleteOrDecay]

Because the idea is still one party forcing sex- why is it less serious Because the victim is a male?

And this is the problem. People assume that sexual assault is not as serious as rape. They are both heinous crimes that are as serious as each other. It’s not offensive or demeaning to say that men cannot be raped by women. It is legally correct. HTH.

[Willow2017]

And yes I do know the legal definition of rape. I just think it should be changed. Jmho.

[steff13]

I agree with Willow. That was very well said.

[Kpo58]

You can still get pregnant/std/other infections being penetrated by a object depending on what the person assaulting you has done with the object beforehand.

So yes I do agree that any penetrative assault should be classified as rape.

Most people if you said that you were sexually assaulted would assume it was you getting groped and not take it as seriously.