To not understand why people don't understand men cannot be raped by a woman?

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I've read a lot whenever this comes up on here or elsewhere, that it's 'terrible' and such an outdated view. Why is it? Why can't people understand what rape is? Men can be sexually assaulted by women, but not raped.

Where I live, the law provides two offences: rape and sexual violation (which requires penetration, but not necessarily by a penis). The maximum penalty is the same. As each sentencing is tailored to the facts of each case, it's almost certain that there are rapists in prison with lesser sentences than sexual violators.

Which shows just how absurd this thread is, making a big deal about legal semantics and, assuming as it does, that the world is England.

Aibu to not get why some people can't understand that there can be a difference between the legal definition of rape and what would be classed as rape in the more general (and logical) sense?

MadForlt,

Yabu. The OP is grandstanding to make a non-point; that's clear enough to anyone reasonable.

^Two things.

Men can be raped. And are. By men.

And I am made very uncomfortable by the people on here insisting that women frequently rape/sexually assault men. What is their agenda?^
Good point and good question BertrandRussell

bastard italics fail.

I haven't read the thread but my thought was is men are raped by others especially common in jail.

If you want a fight against the legal definition of rape why not start a petition so that it goes to parliament instead of coming here?

If the wording is so important to you.

I've been thinking about it and I still think that there needs to be a separate word for rape with a penis. I know that rape with an object can be more physically damaging, but there is, it seems to me,to be something uniquely vile about rape with a penis. Apart from the risk of pregnancy(only for women, obviously) and STDs, there is the subversion of sex, and the contempt shown by the, as someone said earlier, weaponising of the penis. "I don't even need a weapon-I can do this to you with my body" Still thinking about it though.

Wtf? Keep rape as something that only happens to women? That is NOT on the agenda here, and you really have missed the point spectacularly if that's what you've taken from this.

Men ARE raped. By MEN.

Surely people can see that the aggravating factor that a penis can get a person pregnant makes it different to being raped by anything else? And that’s pretty much alone a good enough reason to protect the term ‘rape’?

I’m very about people’s agendas to make women look like sexual predators on this thread

Surely people can see that the aggravating factor that a penis can get a person pregnant makes it different to being raped by anything else?

Not really. If a man ejaculates over an object before inserting it into a woman, then there is still a pregnancy and STD risk.

Kpo58

Not really. If a man ejaculates over an object before inserting it into a woman, then there is still a pregnancy and STD risk.

I'll be interested to know the statistics on this. Men raping someone with their penis, and men ejaculating over something and inserting it into a woman.

The first statistic is 85,000 a year in the UK. Do you have a link to the second statistic?

"Wtf? Keep rape as something that only happens to women? That is NOT on the agenda here, and you really have missed the point spectacularly if that's what you've taken from this."

Sorry-was that addressed to me? If so, you have obviously not read either my last post or any of my other ones either!

If a woman forces a man to have sex against his will and gets pregnant as a result and decided to keep that child I would consider that almost as bad as a woman being impregnatwd from being raped, particularly as the woman had the option of taking MAP toner went pregnancy but the man who has been forced into having sex has no control over the possible fathering of a child.
I am under no illusions though that women make up a very tiny percentage of sex offenders - I don't think anybody here is under that illusion.
In any case Rape isn't just about the risk of pregnancy / disease, it is about one person exerting power over another in a terribly cruel way. It is almost as much psychological as it is physical and that factor doesn't change regardless of the gender of the victim.

Not really. If a man ejaculates over an object before inserting it into a woman, then there is still a pregnancy and STD risk.

You’re really reaching now to minimise rape with a penis.

Not really having as the man isn’t the one being impregnated. He doesn’t have to make an awful decision, both of which have painful consequences, after an already awful assault. It’s a terrible thing to do to a man (if it’s ever happened) but not the same as forcing a pregnancy on someone

Not really. If a man ejaculates over an object before inserting it into a woman, then there is still a pregnancy and STD risk.

How often does this happen, really? Compared to the amount of women raped by men and their penis’ every year?

No Bertrand it's not to you! - I'm firmly on your side of the argument here.

It's to some other clearly quite confused individual who has somehow taken that message away from our discussion here.

The problem is that sexual assault covers everything from an unwanted pat on the bum to someone putting their fingers/an object inside of you non-consentually.

No this is not true. There is a specific case of assault by penetration that carries the same maximum sentence as rape.

@QuiteLikely5 yes they are, but other men. Men can absolutely be raped, but not by women.

@ButchyRestingFace I already made it clear about the legal age of responsibility changing in each country, that's exactly why I picked that example

I really shouldn't come on these threads because I get over emotional and can't really say what it is I want to say.
I was sexually abused from the age of 6 and orally and vaginally raped at the age of 7. My Rapists/ abusers were male and carried out their sick acts in a small group (some watching and egging on whilst the others abused). The psychological impact affected me more than the physical. I was threatened that if I told anybody the males would make sure everyone knew it was my fault. They told me i was pregnant and that everyone would think I had told them to make me pregnant because I wanted a baby and that everyone would believe them because I liked playing with dolls. I was terrified of my mum finding out I was pregnant and thinking badly of me so i never said a word to anyone. Of course I now realise that it wasn't possible for me
To be pregnant but I didn't know that at 6/7/8.
My abusers were all male. I still haven't told a single person IRL about the abuse.
Despite my experience it still makes me sad that if a woman did to my sons what those males did to me (well similar stuff) it could not be considered to be rape regardless of whatever psychological mind fucks accompanied the physical acts. I imagine the emotional fallout that my sons would experience would be similar to my own experiences.

having

I love my sons and daughter more than life

But when i think of the bad things that could happen to my sons being raped by a woman isnt one...being raped by a man yes, i am afraid of that for them

But not being raped by a woman partly i think because although i dont deny its possible i think it is rare

Having

It is extremely rare rufus and I am thankful for that. But even if it happens to one boy in a decade it should be afforded the same terminology IMO.

@ButchyRestingFace I already made it clear about the legal age of responsibility changing in each country, that's exactly why I picked that example confusedhmm

Pity you can’t remember that in subsequent posts then.

And the criminal age of responsibility doesn’t mean that a crime hasn’t been committed, simply that the perpetrator can’t be held legally accountable for it.