17 year old girl walking home sexually assaulted by multiple, unconnected men

[NoLoveofMine]

An absolutely horrendous case in which a 17 year old girl trying to get home on a night out was subject to multiple serious sexual assaults it seems by men completely unconnected to one another. What does this say about society, that different men in a small geographical location within the space of an hour all had such contempt for women and girls they chose to commit these abhorrent attacks on her? It's hideous. I don't usually start threads in this section of the board but I feel so enraged by these attacks and feel more should be aware of this misogyny.

[http://news.met.police.uk/news/appeal-after-woman-sexually-assaulted-by-multiple-suspects-following-night-out-267602]

margaret

Yeah it will be the childs fault she was assaulted by those degenerate scum sucking twats

Course it will

Absolutely vile! That poor woman.
I think the main problem is men think what they are doing is normal
I read an interesting artical few years ago where they asked 16-18 year olds to define rape/sexual assault. Think it was something like 70% didn't think what was sexual assault was actually sexual assault.

What was even more frightening was most of them had already been in that situation

It is hugely worrying Bluelonerose. There needs to be far better education on consent in schools. The victim blaming culture which still surrounds it is horrendous as well.

I want to be part of this discussion without getting jumped on

Not much chance of that, I'm afraid, if the hive mind decides on a narrative and resists any departure from it

The irony is that I actually agree there's an element of collective responsibility here, but am concerned to see the concept applied so selectively

In my experience it certainly is NOT 6 of one, half dozen ... 4 of my immediate family members have been raped and/or assaulted.

Family member 1 - Abused as a child by an elderly MALE neighbour. Raped by knife point at 14 - MALE. Raped repeatedly by husband - MALE.

Family member 2 - Abused as a child by FEMALE teacher.

Family member 3 - Abused by another MALE family member as a child.

Family member 4 - Repeatedly raped under the age of 10 yrs by a MALE step relative.

I could go on with incidents that concern my friends. In fact, other than family member number 3 I know of no one else who has been sexually assaulted by a female. Yet funnily enough I know of HUNDREDS of cases from family members, friends and my own personal experences where a woman has been assaulted by men ... I repeat HUNDREDS!! I think lots of men would actually be shocked by the level of abuse most women go through, I genuinely do.

I do actually think it's more the majority & not the minority, not in terms of rapists but in holding misogynistic views.

I just think men are so entitled (unsure if nature or nature) & much more selfish then woman. Their needs come above their partners, children etc. A mans right to sex comes above a woman's right to say no. An angry man feels it's his right to shoot innocent people before he kills himself.

I have great men in my life but I truly believe if we woke up tmw and all the positions of power e.g. CEOs, Presidents, PMs etc were held by women all these great men wouldn't like the power shift.

Horrible stories. Poor women. It's like a horror movie where you get away from one psycho and end up straight in the lair of another.

I'd very much like people to stand up to the shit men do but they won't, people don't want to rock the boat, to risk drawing the violent glare or bullying words of these men to themselves. I know men that stand up to other men's violence to women, one got lamped for it but he did it. I rarely spend time with men who don't respect women like they do other men but there's plenty of them and they are husbands, brothers and fathers and sons.

It just seems bizarre that three unconnected opportunist sex attackers happened to be in the same area, on the same night, and each attack the same girl.

LaughingElliot Fri 13-Oct-17 10:45:25
The grotesque behaviour by some men is nothing new. What has changed is that it is being talked about more openly. Younger women are more inclined to speak up than in the past.
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I've been thinking about this recently. Is society getting worse? Or are these things being better reported?

I can't imagine going through something like this (or the related cases). How does one recover from this? Unimaginable.

Wombling in the nicest possible way, no one had even addressed you or referenced you at all until you addressed us first.

We are not jumping on anyone, honestly.

Debate only works if people answer questions and queries.

I haven't seen one person attack you, or say anything personal about you at all.
What I have seen is people aasking you (nicely as well) to clarify some points.

We have to question the prevailing mainstream attitude that it's only a minority of men if we are going to fix this.

We have to challenge the narrative that only nasty men do it.

It means some hard home truths though. For all of us.

No one wants to believe the men they love are capable of making other women feel uncomfortable, but the sad fact is, the statistics show that there must be a very great number of men who think it's ok to do things that make women uncomfortable or afraid.

We have to get rid of the mindset that "it's only cat calling" "it's only an arse pinch" "well, at least he didn't rape me".

WE need men to be prepared to fix this as well.

All the shouting, screaming and protesting in the world won't help at all unless this supposedly "majority" of men stand up and call out their fellow men.

I don't think it's a minority of men either. Maybe a minority of men carry out violent sexual offences but I'd say more men than not feel entitled to harrass, grope and objectify women. That's why with the exception of the few men and boys in my family, who I love, I have no interest in being around them or having them in my life.

The irony is that I actually agree there's an element of collective responsibility here, but am concerned to see the concept applied so selectively

You ignored the part of my response to you where I told you what men and boys should be doing.

if the hive mind decides on a narrative and resists any departure from it

You mean the narrative of far too many of these attacks happening and so many women and girls being subject to them? Never mind "not all men". Too many women.

I went to a very posh public school for 6th form, same as SamCam and Kate Middleton.

When the girls went into lunch all the boys yelled out scores out of 10 for us. The teachers weren't remotely bothered.

I bet their mothers all thought they were perfect sons too.

Not much chance of that, I'm afraid, if the hive mind decides on a narrative and resists any departure from it

No one is resisting different opinions, or shouting them down, unless asking for clarification and asking questions is now "shouting down".

"Not much chance of that, I'm afraid, if the hive mind decides on a narrative and resists any departure from it "

What's the narrative?

"It just seems bizarre that three unconnected opportunist sex attackers happened to be in the same area, on the same night, and each attack the same girl."

Will you stop insinuating that there is something incorrect about this, @goldenclaire? There is CCTV footage of the incidents, the girl in question was in a state of distress when found and the police are satisfied that they are investigating at least 2 serious sexual assaults. Which part of that do you think is bizarre?

We have to get rid of the mindset that "it's only cat calling" "it's only an arse pinch" "well, at least he didn't rape me".

Very much so. It's all part of the same culture - one which sees women and girls as lesser, sexual objects for the gratification of men and boys, our bodies not our own and our existence for men's enjoyment.

Indeed OldPony. I know of boys from very well known public schools who write and say the most abhorrent misogynist comments about girls, post rape jokes and memes, have lists of girls they know of ranking them in order for various body parts and so forth. Endemic misogyny.

Keep your hair on Beauty. I've in no way criticised the girl or laid doubt on her claims have i? What i find bizarre, and undisturbing, is that there would be three unconnected opportunist sex attackers happened to be in the same area, on the same night, and each attack the same girl. Where I live this sort of thing happens very rarely so its an eye opener that there are places where multiple incidents can occur in one night.

goldenclaire stop being a twat eh?

It seems quite unbelieavable that the same thing can happen three times to one person in a space of a few hours. It seems quite bizarre actually.

Not when you consider that each assault would probably have left her more distressed and vulnerable looking, grim as that is to consider.

As Tina Fey pointed out, abusers are drawn to damage, not beauty. And the "benefit" in attacking a rape victim again is that she's already ruined you see, so not actually his fault at all... Not to mention the fact that many men are turned on by the thought of women being raped. If you want proof of that, any slasher movie franchise should do. Extremely grim.

Isnt the narrative

Men shouldnt rape people

Why would you want to disagree with that

Unless obviously another narrative is meant...in which case it would be nice to know which one

Such an upsetting story, I hope she gets lots of support to get through what must be an extremely traumatic time.

The culture is just something else, the amount of women that seem to have been brought up with ideas that it's fine is shocking, facebook is not the best litmus test but there was a story recently of a girl taking photos with men who had catcalled and the amount of women saying oh you'll be sorry one day, enjoy it whilst you're young, take it as a compliment etc etc is just plain depressing.

You ignored the part of my response to you where I told you what men and boys should be doing

Not at all - I actually agree with you on this, which is why I mentioned my own acceptance of collective responsibility around the issue