17 year old girl walking home sexually assaulted by multiple, unconnected men

[NoLoveofMine]

An absolutely horrendous case in which a 17 year old girl trying to get home on a night out was subject to multiple serious sexual assaults it seems by men completely unconnected to one another. What does this say about society, that different men in a small geographical location within the space of an hour all had such contempt for women and girls they chose to commit these abhorrent attacks on her? It's hideous. I don't usually start threads in this section of the board but I feel so enraged by these attacks and feel more should be aware of this misogyny.

[http://news.met.police.uk/news/appeal-after-woman-sexually-assaulted-by-multiple-suspects-following-night-out-267602]

MargaretTwatyer what exactly are you attempting to imply here??

As others mentioned about the 15 year old attacked in Birmingham
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/27/girl-raped-two-men-flagged-down-help-birmingham (for those who haven't read it). Raped by a man and then raped by the next man whom she went to for help. I find it so soul destroying.

I think the amount of men that will violently rape a strange young woman is the minority but I think the majority of men are capable of lower levels of that scale that all feed into women being inferior pieces of meat - I agree with this. I also think there are a lot of women who feed into the misogyny too - yes, I'm looking at you Donna Karan ()

It’s not a minority. Misogyny exists everywhere. Not all men rape, as Emma Thompson said, do all men have to be as bad as Harvey Wankstain for it to count? Do all men have to be so prolific, or just one man doing it to one woman once, that’s enough.

It exists all over. Women die every week at the hands of men. And women, like me, have an abundance of stories that we keep silent over (unless sharing anonymously on an Internet forum).

THIS ^^^^^^^

The last attack like this (multiple) happened in Birmingham, without doubt the two are most probably connected.

I wondered how long it would be before the racist hints crept in. Well done M4Dad. We all know that white men never rape people, don't we?

M4Dad, as maybe the only man on this thread I'm interested to hear your thoughts but I can't even guess what you are alluding to good or bad? What is staring us straight in the face?

I happened to read the mirror today. They had a full front page and then 3 pages detailing the awfulness of HW behaviour. On the very next page they had a full page photo of Andrea McLean describing her as ' in good nick' . The utter lack of awareness of how women are seen and described, and how this feeds into a culture which allows HE to behave like this.

This is fucking disgusting. That poor poor girl.

Holy shit. That poor woman.

And really, what’s with the leaping up to say “not all men”?

DH was talking about the Hollywood producer saying it probably started coz he got away with pressurising one young girl into sex and got away with it. No one stopped him so he carried on. I pointed out and (he agreed) how twisted that was and scarily how "simple" the explanation was rolled out in an almost casual way. Its almost like this is just "the way it is" for girls. I myself have been assaulted in similar ways a few times and never rang the police as I believed I had encouraged it. I will raise my DD and in fact DS to have more respect.

Ah ok. That angle. I'm sorry M4Dad, I've never been assaulted by an Asian man but have been many times by white men of all ages. No doubt there are pockets of issues in every town and community but I can tell you straight that I am not sure there is much difference in the fundamental level of mysogony of any particular group of men. It's there, it's always there. Sometime more or less visible.

Quite threadarick. This is about horrendous male violence against women and girls, perpetrated purely because we're female, such violent misogyny. "Not all men"? Too many women and girls. So angry and upset for the girl attacked.

Every day on this site alone there are posts from women whose husbands and partners have technically raped them, who have used prostitutes, who have chased the office junior.

Everyday supposedly devoted, lovely men joke about rape, womens looks, what they would do to them.

Every day supposedly respectable, devoted fathers grope young women in clubs, on the train, in the street. They invade our space and make jokes about our skills at supposedly "mens" tasks.

They refuse to listen to us, and look down on us in work and academia.

Does this really, really sound like a "small minority" of men to you??

Really??

It's hardly going to be the same 200 men, is it???

Fucking men fucking hate us.

Even when they think they love us, it's most often twisted and just another form of hate.

oh good god.they killed that poor girls soul.how can she ever come back from this.please healthcare worker put all you can into helping this girl feel safe I nthe world again.good god.

Everyday supposedly devoted, lovely men joke about rape, womens looks, what they would do to them.

Every day supposedly respectable, devoted fathers grope young women in clubs, on the train, in the street. They invade our space and make jokes about our skills at supposedly "mens" tasks.

They refuse to listen to us, and look down on us in work and academia.

(Unfortunately) excellently put Lana.

"Women have very little idea of how much men hate them" - Germaine Greer in "the Female Eunuch".

Nailed.

Please spare me the statistics and your bloke, this is generic and still applies to so many. Sadly.

Well said Lana.

Multiple studies have shown that a high percentage of men would commit a rape or assault if they think they could get away with it, or if you dont call it rape.
Most of the men participating have been college students, so you can assume them to be educated and aware of the law.

Jumping in on a thread like this with 'not all men' is ridiculously defensive behaviour, like defending the right to own an assault rifle after a mass shooting.

it's so much easier to tell yourself that it's "those men over there".

The EDL thugs, the Asian gangs, the hooded youths.

It's really hard to wake up to the fact that the only thing this male sexual violence has in common, all over the world, regardless of race, religion, class or money, is MEN.

That guy in the meeting.
The upper crust toff.
The 16 year old in the cinema.
The doctor taking your pulse.
The violent racist.
The gentle soul who reads Proust.
The group of lads out on the town.

They are all capable of it.

It might "just" be joking about raping you to their mates, or it might "just" be discussing what they'd do to you in bed in the office kitchen.

It's still male sexual violence against women.

Oh go on, M4. Be brave. You can do it!

1 man feeling entitled to assault anyone is too many. This is seriously awful.

I honestly don't have any female friends that at some point have not been the victim of male violence (at some level). I have been raped myself more than once. I have three sons. The eldest two are now adults and I know with as much certainty as I can that they are gentle. It tells in their relationships in that the women they have dated want to stay with them. I have had long chats with my eldest about his partners and he has told me that all of his girlfriends have been assaulted in the past. He seethes about it. He says it makes no sense. Society needs to build anew from the ground up. As parents we need to ensure that our sons value women deeply and value each other. Strong masculinity doesn't come from violence or aggression it comes from love and warmth. Parents start this process. I've seen the way some people interact with their young sons and am appalled. I've worked with families where there are issues and it's heartbreaking because you know that these little boys will end up as aggressors. We, parents of boys, are all responsible for change.

And actually, what I don't understand is why men aren't standing up and saying "Not in my name, mate"

Sorry I know I'm ranting on a bit.

But I think this might be my absolute jumping off point for tolerating all the Not All Men platitudes.

We will never, ever change the deeply engrained sexual mindset of this world, while we can pretend it's a small minority.

We will never fix this until men stand up and say "yeah, we do all do it".

Wow, that is so shocking. Those men need to be caught and jailed. How scary that they targeted such a vulnerable and young person.
I wonder if they went out looking for someone to assault.

I hope there is some DNA evidence at least.

Something needs to change in our society.