17 year old girl walking home sexually assaulted by multiple, unconnected men

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An absolutely horrendous case in which a 17 year old girl trying to get home on a night out was subject to multiple serious sexual assaults it seems by men completely unconnected to one another. What does this say about society, that different men in a small geographical location within the space of an hour all had such contempt for women and girls they chose to commit these abhorrent attacks on her? It's hideous. I don't usually start threads in this section of the board but I feel so enraged by these attacks and feel more should be aware of this misogyny.

[http://news.met.police.uk/news/appeal-after-woman-sexually-assaulted-by-multiple-suspects-following-night-out-267602]

Thesparrowhawk, I'd go so far as to say it's not necessarily their responsibility to stop the actions of others but they are certainly responsible for the jokes and comments and banter that they have engaged in that has led to 'other' men taking it further on the scale of horrific acts on women. That is where their responsibility lies, because they are part of the problem. Not that they should take action purely for being a man.

No woman or girl should be wolf whistled at. No woman or girl should be raped. It shouldn't be something we'd have to rather the former or be grateful it was "only" the former. It's all misogyny and all displays the view of women and girls as sex objects for male gratification.

Sorry about your experiences WomblingThree.

are the people here tarnishing the entire male species on the disgusting actions of the minority of men

As has been pointedout over and over and over again.

Pages and pages of it.

It is not a minority of men.

It is just not.

We wish it wasn't so, but it's time to face the fucking facts here.

Women and girls all over the world are groped, raped abused and harrassed on a daily basis.

Go back and read everyones stories.

Girls on a night out being cat called, groped in clubs.
Girls in school ffs, having lewd comments made, unwanted touching is "normal".
Men in tube trains deliberately pushing agaisnt your arse.
Boyfriends coercing their g/f into sex they don't want.
Men using prostitutes.
Busines men leering out their cars and cat calling school girls.

2 women a week are killed by their partner.
Hundreds a week are raped or seriously sexually assaulted

This happens thousands of times every single day.

How can you know all of those facts and still think the problem is a tiny minority of men??

Just how??

Do you think there is only one in every town??

What a vile, victim blaming post wrenika.

Wrenika, please oh please try to understand what victim blaming is. And why it's wrong. You just did it in its purest form.

"Equally, some woman are predatory assholes...it's six and half a dozen."

This is really not the case. Are you really suggesting that women are equally likely to be predatory and sexually assault young men (or women) in this way?

maybe we should be reminding 17 year old girls not to go stumbling around in the middle of their night making themselves extremely vulnerable.

Maybe you should stop blaming girls for being victims of assaults men choose to perpetrate and start blaming the men who carry them out.

Should teenage girls never go out in broad daylight either then? Seeing as these all happened in broad daylight:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/girl-14-raped-london-avery-hill-park-greenwich-teenager-a7949851.html

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/ellen-higginbottom-murder-sentence-live-13618167

www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/police-step-up-patrols-after-15yearold-girl-sexually-assaulted-in-twickenham-a3592681.html

Wombling I'm sorry about your experience.

But I'm still not shouting at anyone.

I'm angry yes, but at men, never, ever at the victim.

I'm not saying being cat called is the same experience as being raped. (I have also experienced both btw)

I am saying that one begets theother.

When you have a culture where men will think nothing of leaning out their car and make disgusting comments to school girls, it makes it easier and more aceptable for other men to rape.
Everytime someone tells a rape joke, and the men all laugh, it's teaches them it's not that bad.

What kind of abhorrent individual blames a girl for being sexually assaulted? For what men chose to do to her? For walking home before midnight? Am I not allowed to go out for a night out without the risk of being blamed if anything happened? Fucking abhorrent victim blaming.

Equally, some woman are predatory assholes...it's six and half a dozen.

Yeah, you're always reading stories about women sexually assaulting men and teenage boys who are just going about their days. First you excuse men, then you blame a 17 year old girl for being attacked by men, then you claim women do this kind of thing "equally". You are abhorrent.

maybe we should be reminding 17 year old girls not to go stumbling around in the middle of their night making themselves extremely vulnerable

How about all the shit that goes on in the day??

How about not blaming women and girls for things men do?

How about we keep on shouting and fighting until men stop, rather than not living our lives??

That these men felt this was OK and even that it was OK in front of other men, shows they knew most men at best don't care if women are attacked.

I'm not bringing my son up like this but sadly that isn't enough to mean he won't end up like this, our children are affected by so much more than what we tell them.

Out of interest to people think it is a rise in actual assaults or more reporting and action by the police?

I know the Nordic countries are shown to have the highest rates of sexual crime across Europe but that is often questioned is it really highest or is it just reported more. Given the Nordic countries are the top 4 on the global gender gap report I think it is the later.

The article says she became separated from her friends. To be frank I have to seriously question the thinking of anyone who is going to why was she in this vulnerable place.
Rape and assault are ALWAYS the fault of the person committing a criminal act. The attackers should always be dealt with as criminals and not flawed humans.

Equally, some woman are predatory assholes...it's six and half a dozen.

Ha ha ha ha.

That's gotta be a wind up.

I'm afraid those pesky actual facts would prove you very very wrong.

"Equally, some woman are predatory assholes...it's six and half a dozen"

Would you care to elaborate on this?

In reply to a poster up thread have a 17 yr old DD. Of course I make sure she has taxi fare to get back from work after dark. Of course, she knows to avoid dark places. Will any of that keep her safe?
Of course it won't. The mini cab driver might assault her, the friend from college might assault her in broad daylight.
The ONLY thing that can keep my DD and other females safe is an end to sexual violence.

I have a 17..etc

Op, you are 17?
How awesome are you?

Do you think we could start up a national women's group? Build on the feminist organisations already in situ? Some proper group with clout and influence and some very loud voices. We need to get together on this one?
Sorry to derail thread. I am just trying to think of things we could do to try and change the status quo.

Not as awesome as your username but thank you very much for saying so!

The ONLY thing that can keep my DD and other females safe is an end to sexual violence.

Exactly. In terms of "after dark" it'll get dark by 4:30pm soon so I suppose no girls should travel home from school if they need to leave around then. And as girls are sexually assaulted and raped at all hours, then perhaps we should just never go anywhere.

Appalling as this case is, it's interesting to see the calls for men in general to speak out, assert that it's "not in my name", etc.

I thought that, on MN, it wasn't expected that a wider group should assume any responsibility for the violence of a minority in their midst?

Sometimes I hate my fucking gender.

Enough calling it "misogyny" please. Misogyny is a frame of mind and a bloody silly one but your mind is your own. What matters and what is wrong is giving expression to it by violence.

Ok so by the prevailing opinion, @ConciseandNice ‘s son is luring all his drunk friends back to his flat so he can rape them. Because all men are rapists. Or is he the exception? And if he can be the exception then why can’t any other men be?

Posted by @ TheSparrowhawk The conclusion I've come to is that while not all men rape, they like and even enjoy the fact that women live under the threat of rape - they use other men's violence to their advantage. So they don't have to rape (and they can still pretend they're good guys) but they can reap the advantages of half the population being restricted by fear Sorry, but this is downright disgusting. I do not have a single man in my life that this would apply to. My male family members are all raising or have raised daughters, and this would be a repulsive thing to ascribe to any one of them. I can think of no advantage for a normal, decent man to have his wife/partner/mother/daughter living in fear. You also say that by doing nothing, men are as good as complicit; what are you doing about it? (And that’s actually not snarky by the way, I genuinely want to know)