If a new referendum on Brexit was announced..

[bbcessex]

Would you be up in arms about that?
Discussing last night.. I think given the margins in the last vote and the (being charitable) confusion and uncertainty over the Brexit plans, a new referendum would generally be accepted.

DH (remainer) thinks a re-vote is not constitutional & would cause uproar (amongst all).

Who is unreasonable ?

I dont think it was quiet as simple as that.

DC was also trying to put to bed the the Tory party infighting that became particularly acute after Major signed Maastricht.

democracy

Just for the sake of these discussions....please look up "democracy in the UK". Just take a few moments.

It was over 40 years from the referendum when we'd already joined the Common Market, until last year's referendum, with no chance to reverse the decision during that time.

It doesn’t have to say that it is advisory Your interpretation..

So its all down to political will now?
But then both major parties have acknowledged the Brexit result. So I'm not sure what comfort you and your fellow Remainers can take from that?

Can I just ask - I've seen lots of comments about having to accept the referendum results because it was a democratic vote, therefore all those wanting a re-vote should shut up. But we already voted once and the result of that was to remain. So was it purely the passage of time that made the second referendum acceptable and not undemocratic?

I'd be thrilled and vote remain. I'm was horrified by the outcome of the referendum and am even more horrified at the way the government have handled the negotiations. I feel we are heading for an extremely damaging no-deal outcome and don't believe that the referendum gave the gov any sort of mandate for that- there may be a proportion of leavers who want out at any cost but they certainly don't amount to a majority and there's no way that a no deal outcome, with all the harm that comes with it, represents "the will of the people".

Having said that, I heartily dislike referendums and think they are terribly damaging to our parliamentary democracy- just look at the harm the last one is doing. So I think we're probably screwed either way- it's just a Q of whether we're screwed for generations or merely for years.

Okkitokkiunga

Basically yes. The original vote was back in the 70’s so no one under about 55 had voted for it. Plus it was a very different union back then.

sandy

I am sure there are many people doing great things overseas, the point being that they are overseas and are not actually living here and experiencing the very real issues on the ground.

What would you know of the mass immigrations issues, the struggling schools and desperation on the hospital wards. The country is sinking under the sheer weight of it all. If you are in Singapore or whereever how can you know how it feels to be here and experiencing this?

You can't possibly know. For those that still 'live' here but also live overseas (temporary or otherwise) they had the option to fly back and vote, and many did.

When you eventually return back to the homeland you might find it is not the one you left. And if I am brutally honest with you, if you care so much about your children's future in the UK you will be very pleased with the leave vote.

What has the EU done for us?

1. Subsidies to the farmers
2. Massive amounts of regeneration to the north east of England and Wales
3. Most of what we paid in we got back in rebates.
4. Medical research funding

www.ft.com/content/202a60c0-cfd8-11e5-831d-09f7778e7377

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/voices/what-has-the-eu-ever-done-for-you-quite-a-lot-actually-a7097636.html%3Famp

the struggling schools and desperation on the hospital wards. The country is sinking under the sheer weight of it all failed Tory austerity.

I voted remain and I don’t think we should have another referendum. It got so ugly last time, with the murder of an MP, and I don’t want a repeat of the racist language we had in the run-up to the vote.

It was advisory anyway. If it really will be a disaster economically to leave (and I’m keeping an open mind on that for the moment), then Brexit doesn’t have to happen.

1. rationalised markets.
2. consumer protection.
3. rationalised food safety standards.
4. pesticide residual monitoring.
5. tariff free trade.

10. efficient supply chains.

leavers who want out at any cost

What do you mean exactly --- what "costs"?

1. Subsidies to the farmers - With our own money
2. Massive amounts of regeneration to the north east of England and Wales - With our own money
3. Most of what we paid in we got back in rebates - rubbish
4. Medical research funding - With our own money

Surfer thanks. However it could also be argued that a) we as a nation are a lot more knowledgeable now than we were last year and b) the voting populace will have changed in two years (say they did a new referendum next year). Plus it might actually get a greater turnout of the people it's going to actually affect.

I am thinking about this from an interest PoV. No idea what I think about it really. It was such a farce, it might be interesting to have a referendum based on facts and not the mythical 350m back to the NHS and making Britain great again. I know that there are many knowledgeable people who voted for Brexit as evidenced on here. Unfortunately I don't know any IRL - i know a lot who voted for Brexit and none of them have been able to articulate why beyond the two examples above. Oh and immigration of course. "Oh but not you and your family Okki, we didn't mean you, just the Poles and refugees."

The country is sinking under the sheer weight of it all.

I'm so confused. I keep reading that nobody voted Brexit to stop immigration, that nobody intends for immigrants to feel unwelcome let alone to leave.

We need a referendum on the conditions.

I'm so confused. I keep reading that nobody voted Brexit to stop immigration, that nobody intends for immigrants to feel unwelcome let alone to leave

I see that you've lost the actual argument and you're just hear to pick up on semantics.

Crackednips- my main concern is the end of tariff-free trade and the imposition of non-tariff barriers, which together are likely to cause massive disruption to our imports/exports, make us an unappealing trading partner and thus cause huge job losses and reduce GDP, meaning big cuts to public services). I have lots of other concerns as well- loss of research funding to UK (and brain drain), reduced incentives for immigrants to come/stay, meaning huge parts of our workforce will be depleted (esp the NHS), loss of our international status, further drop in value of £ leading to increased cost of government borrowing, increased costs to NHS for drugs, I could go on and on...not to mention the huge issue of Northern Ireland which is outrageously under-reported by the English press. I'm terribly worried.

I see that you've lost the actual argument and you're just hear to pick up on semantics.

That's right, I'm hear to bow to the pearls of wisdom about the combined weight of immigrants

And how is it Democratic to force Scotland and Northern Ireland into Brexit when they didn't vote for it?

It doesn’t have to say that it is advisory Your interpretation.

Nope. Look ah how the AV Referendum was worded (hint - this one was legally binding).

You can also read the Supreme Court judgement from the Miller case. It’s quite clear that any UK referendum is advisory unless very clear language to the contrary is used within the referendum legislation.

And how is it Democratic to force Scotland and Northern Ireland into Brexit when they didn't vote for it?

It was voted for as the union as a whole not separately.

Okkitokkiunga

Yes I see what you’re saying.
voter apathy was apparent amongst the young yes, I don’t think they thought the leave vote stood a chance so they basically didn’t bother.
Once reality had kicked in it was a bit late to complain really. The leave vote won & the decision was final. That’s what David Cameron said.
There really is no turning back now - well, I’m sure there is but they’d probably be civil war.

Witch yes it was. But I don't recall hearing anything about NI during the campaign. So back to my point about us being a lot more knowledgeable as a nation should another referendum take place.