If a new referendum on Brexit was announced..

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Would you be up in arms about that?
Discussing last night.. I think given the margins in the last vote and the (being charitable) confusion and uncertainty over the Brexit plans, a new referendum would generally be accepted.

DH (remainer) thinks a re-vote is not constitutional & would cause uproar (amongst all).

Who is unreasonable ?

In other words, we have no recourse against the people who pass the laws.

WHO DECIDES WHAT LAWS ARE TO BE PASSED?

Ask yourselves that question.

I agree with mousse

I have no idea about the democracy of it or otherwise

But mousse seems to be backing up her statements

M4Dad

Yes The Commission is selected not elected which is why TWO ELECTED BODIES have to vote to accept it before it becomes law.

The whole TWO ELECTED BODIES thing is why the EU is democratically accountable.

The mark of any good marriage is how well you can divorce.
This has the makings of an ugly divorce although we are just in the positioning phase.
Nothing has convinced me more it was the right decision to leave.
Just positioning over who gets the house car and kids.
Anyone in this position knows you have to agree or you'll spend a fortune fight it out for years scoring points and no one is happy.
Fairness is the key.

We have no recourse against anyone passing the laws in the EU at any time. None, nada, zip.

M4Dad et al

On QMV, you might like to read the following authoritative source on how it works in practice and how the UK has an opt out from many of the new QMV area.

secondreading.uk/uncategorized/extending-qualified-majority-voting-in-the-european-union-does-this-mean-the-end-of-british-sovereignty/

QMV does mean MS have to work harder to form alliances and build compromises. But the advantages often outweigh the disadvantages - especially since it means one small MS can no longer block sensible decisions.

Very few examples of unwanted decisions being imposed on any of the big Member States.

The EU works through compromise and consensus building.

Yes The Commission is selected not elected which is why TWO ELECTED BODIES

I can only get rid of 1/27th of the one of the elected bodies if I so choose and that's every 4 years.

That's not democracy.

Popping out of for lunch. I will be back.

M4Dad

The Commission proposes the laws. The laws have to be passed by two elected bodies.

Who decides what laws are to be passed? TWO ELECTED BODIES that's who.

I can only get rid of 1/27th of the one of the elected bodies

M4Dad

I can only get rid of 1/650 the of the HoC but it is still democratic!

And it's a maximum of every 5 years not 4.

I can only get rid of 1/650 the of the HoC but it is still democratic

You can help get rid of a whole political party.

Fionnbharr

I can't get into QMV!

Some people are struggling with TWO ELECTED BODIES needed to pass a law.

M4Dad

You can help get rid of a whole political party

Argghhhhh no, no, no NO!

I vote for an individual who becomes an MP who chooses to be in a political party. We do not vote for parties in the UK we vote for individuals.

Are you really this ignorant or are you having fun by pretending to be stupid?

The EU only holds supremacy in certain areas. Nothing to with, for example, schools, taxes, healthcare

Eh? How come we can't take the VAT off tampons then?

I find this graphic useful in understanding how the legislative system works in the EU:

www.europarl.europa.eu/external/html/legislativeprocedure/default_en.htm

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Thanks for that graphic! It clearly shows how the TWO ELECTED BODIES check and challenge potential legislation. It also shows how these TWO ELECTED BODIES can veto potential legislation.

In '92 the Maastricht Treaty and Single European Act and the 2008 Lisbon Treaty were in my view examples of where parliament overstepped its remit in giving away sovereignty, without consulting the electorate who lend it to them.

YY to this.

The mark of any good marriage is how well you can divorce.

Surely the mark of any good marriage is that you don't get divorced?

We do not vote for parties in the UK we vote for individuals

Fair play, that's the funniest thing you've written today.

"We do not vote for parties in the UK we vote for individuals

Fair play, that's the funniest thing you've written today."

Well, it's only funny if you don't understand how our system works.....

But since then the LibDems have been heavily criticised for wanting a Referendum on whether the terms are acceptable or not.

Well, it's only funny if you don't understand how our system works

Most people vote for their chosen party first, you know this, everyone knows this.

I think if we do go down the route of having regular Referenda we need to thrash out some decent rules first. I believe the Irish have a Referendum Commission which oversees their Referenda and can rule what claims are allowable or not. It would do us no harm to learn from them.

Most people vote for their chosen party first, you know this, everyone knows this.

Yes, they do, but strictly speaking not - hence MPs crossing the floor without having to stand for re-election. Cameron's predecessor did this. Needless to say he got thrown out at the next election. Carswell also, but he did better, crossing to a party that his constituents were more sympathetic to.

Most people vote for their chosen party first, you know this, everyone knows this.

I'd guess that most people find out how they local candidate is at the polling station.