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How to stop brexit and make Britain great again

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SupportTheresaElseBoris · 09/10/2017 20:53

So Nick Clegg has a new book out called How to stop brexit and make Britain great again.

Aibu to think its time to just get on with brexit and stop this uncertainty? It didn't work for the lib Dems at the ellection and it now seems like dragging it on for as long as possible will make the worst of a bad situation.

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Fresh8008 · 10/10/2017 18:05

The EU isn't controlling us. We were part of the EU
Obviously that is your opinion. Other people would disagree and feel it is controlling abusive behavior and we are LTB.

histinyhandsarefrozen · 10/10/2017 18:05

Perhaps you could try and be more specific.
What control are you referring to?

histinyhandsarefrozen · 10/10/2017 18:06

Perhaps you could try explaining instead of throwing out these cryptic slogans.

Fresh8008 · 10/10/2017 18:07

Nope, that doesn't seem to make any sense either.
Well that explains why you want to stay in the EU.

allegretto · 10/10/2017 18:10

It literally doesn't make sense.

Fresh8008 · 10/10/2017 18:11

Perhaps you could try explaining instead of throwing out these cryptic slogans
What is the point explaining, this topic has been round the track a million times and you still don't get it. I didn't agree to have 27 other countries dictate how my taxes are spent, who comes into the UK, what laws we follow and how we trade with the world.

So I want to leave the EU and have the UK control these things. HTH

Theworldisfullofidiots · 10/10/2017 18:24

Giving up our country to the supreme control of the EU superstate.
This just makes you look batshit crazy or paranoid or both.

PortiaCastis · 10/10/2017 18:28

giving up our country to an EU superstate

Whaaaaaaaaattttttt !!

Sorry but that's complete and utter rubbish

TheRollingCrone · 10/10/2017 18:30

The vote was really split age wise (although I know young people who voted leave) - I think at some point we will go back in as full members, euro and all.

stripysleeves · 10/10/2017 18:32
  • I didn't agree to have 27 other countries dictate how my taxes are spent, who comes into the UK, what laws we follow and how we trade with the world. So I want to leave the EU and have the UK control these things. HTH*

We won't control these things though. Have you paid any attention to the foreign policy of places like America? (Well, mainly America!)

Once we don't have the protection of Europe and we're out there in the free-trade playground, then the US and others will demand we relax all sorts of our trade laws to do business with us.

And we'll be up shit creek to not able to argue.

The NHS and our school system will likely be forced to open up to US companies for example.

Didn't like the EU meddling with our food in a bid to keep food standards high?

Well you'll get what you want - the US will force our standards down. Our food standards are much higher than theirs BECAUSE of Europe.

Hope you enjoy chlorinated chicken, paying to be sick and having no say in your children's education.

Taking back control is an illusion. It's handing control over to big business.

TheRollingCrone · 10/10/2017 18:36

Sorry posted too soon - yep demographics will see us back in as full members. I mean, who lives forever?

Peregrina · 10/10/2017 18:37

I didn't agree to have 27 other countries dictate how my taxes are spent, who comes into the UK, what laws we follow and how we trade with the world. So I want to leave the EU and have the UK control these things. HTH

No it doesn't help. The EU does not dictate how we spend taxes on health, education and housing, to name three major areas. Nor do they dictate defence spending which if it's dictated by anyone is NATO. I don't recall having any input myself into what goes on in NATO, but somehow that's different.

Many of the EU laws that we have adopted whisper it quietly were proposed by the UK. We have accepted the vast majority of the laws proposed without demur - if we felt strongly we could have objected as members with a vote.

Germany manages to do a lot more trade with the world than the UK does. Somehow being a EU country doesn't stop them, but stops us. Maybe it's because they are more efficient.

Who comes into the country is largely controlled by us. Successive Governments haven't bothered to use the laws available to them, but the blame can't be pinned on the EU.

Doramaybe · 10/10/2017 18:42

Well just to mention, NI is fkd with a hard border with ROI as a result of Brexit. Little Englanders don't give a shit. Many probably aren't aware that NI is part of the UK and this will cause ructions.

Dreadful situation there, and it might ignite old wounds if there are border controls again.

But I suspect very many people had/have no clue that NI exists, it is Ireland lol, or was even part of the UK before now. Huh. I am speaking from experience here. The mainland does not in general acknowledge NI at all. But believe me you pay dearly for it.

Anyway it will be a difficult part of the process. And I sure hope it doesn't result in violence again. It's very tricky. And very ominous.

Peregrina · 10/10/2017 18:55

But I suspect very many people had/have no clue that NI exists, it is Ireland lol, or was even part of the UK before now.

Most people haven't taken on board that the UK as it currently exists is less than 100 years old. Prior to Irish Independence it was the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. (No mention of N or S in there.)

Fresh8008 · 10/10/2017 19:04

Guess I shouldn't have bothered posting on a remainer thread. But you should realize all these hysterics are why so many people want to leave the EU.

We have made a choice and trying to dictate that our choice should be ignored is the problem. Until you realize that the majority of voters don't believe the scare stories and start addressing the real concerns of Brexiters then we will be leaving the EU with or without remainers cooperation. .

MongerTruffle · 10/10/2017 19:22

We joined the EU in the early 1990s with no vote and therefore it was not a democratic decision. The government at the time just did it.

The UK is a representative democracy. British citizens voted for the Members of Parliament at that time. Those MPs voted either for or against the act which ratified the Maastricht Treaty.

squishysquirmy · 10/10/2017 19:33

" But you should realize all these hysterics are why so many people want to leave the EU. "
Ha ha ha ha!! Grin Grin Grin

I hope you are doing your fellow leave voters a major disservice there, because the idea that someone would base a vote on such an important issue to teach "hysterical" mumsnetters a lesson is utterly stupefying.

It would be like me saying that remainers voted the way they did as a backlash against that kind of hysterical, paranoid tin-hatters that rant on about "EU superstates dictating our laws." And I wouldn't say that, because I don't believe anyone could really be that stupid and still navigate their way into a polling booth.

Peregrina · 10/10/2017 19:47

I wonder if Boris had put on his bus
"Let's smash the UK economy", if people would have voted for it? As far as I am concerned it's absolutely fine if Remainers don't co-operate with Brexit. We lost, don't forget. You won, let's see you get stuck in. The only problem is, I don't see much concrete evidence of Leavers doing anything to address the concerns of Brexit. James Dyson - bringing production back to the UK, is he? Not so far as I know. JC Bamford - ditto.

Most people neither knew nor cared about the EU until Farage came along. So we have to smash the economy to accommodate a handful of wealthy white men, who will make sure that they have scarpered if the proverbial hits the fan.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 10/10/2017 19:52

Most people neither knew nor cared about the EU until Farage came along Of course they did! So when he came along and voiced their concerns he had an instant following.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 10/10/2017 20:29

I know a lot of people who felt unhappy with being in the EU and dislike Farage

Many people who voted in the first referendum and felt what they EU became wasn't what they signed up for

shopthenewcollection · 10/10/2017 20:37

So the alternative is better is it Enthusiasm?

Willowy · 10/10/2017 20:38

Until you realize that the majority of voters don't believe the scare stories and start addressing the real concerns of Brexiters

To be honest @Fresh8008, you haven’t given us remainers any ‘real concerns’ to work with in any of your posts. Just hysterical whimsy.

As you were.

Willowy · 10/10/2017 20:40

Many people who voted in the first referendum and felt what they EU became wasn't what they signed up for

Well we can’t change sod all about it now we’ve voted to leave. At least when we were in it we got a veto on things. The alternative will be a fecking train wreck.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 10/10/2017 20:42

Many people believe it is and that is why we are now leaving the EU

More fool all those MP's that supported a referendum taking place and never realised (were they not doing they jobs) how strongly people felt about wanting to leave

Willowy · 10/10/2017 20:47

A lot of people didn’t bat an eyelid at the EU til some jumped-up tax dodging toff who ‘loves a pint’ cropped up telling us we should hate it. I would t mind but he made a fortune being an MEP for years in an institute he despises and sides his money into offshore funds. He’s a cast-iron c**t.

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