To think that this teacher should not have told-off a pupil on the bus

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Couple of hours after the end of school, a few kids on the bus and a guy who happens to be a teacher at their school.
The teacher stopped one lad , who was probably only in year 7, and started grilling him about why he had no tie on. Told him to see him at break tomorrow for detention, but the kid was on his way home & was doing no harm.
I felt really sorry for the kid & felt like the teacher was just being an asshole.
If that was my son in a few years I wouldn't want him to be treated like that. I know that schools have an image to uphold etc.. but jut couldn't help thinking that stuff like this makes kids feel miserable about going to school.

@cliffdiver - I'm not a parent so I don't go to parent's evenings. Thinking this specific situation is OTT doesn't mean I'd be 'that parent' or that I think all school rules are shit etc either, thanks.

agreed Aderyn17 - there are some silly little rules that just seem to end in losing the overall backing of the parents. Rules for the sake of rules.

I know some people think if you can't get the small things right, then the child isn't going to follow more important rules, but I'm not sure this is a proven or a given.

I work with children's behaviour - very effectively I might add - and certainly don't see this as being the case in my work. Perhaps the schools need to better explain their ethos behind some of the (perceived) silly little rules and the understanding may lead to a change in the behaviour.

Personally I say to my son if I don't agree with a rule, but I make it clear there may be a penalty attached for not following the rule and it is his choice to make.

He chooses to follow the rules.

Preparing for adulthood also means learning how and when to challenge, which battles to pick and to think for yourselves.

(Preparing to get shot down in flames now ;-)

agreed Aderyn17 - there are some silly little rules that just seem to end in losing the overall backing of the parents. Rules for the sake of rules

If you don't like the rules, take your child elsewhere. If you want to stay, challenge them through the school's systems.

If that is the school rule, a teacher can't just ignore it. Stupid rule though.

Preparing for adulthood also means learning how and when to challenge, which battles to pick and to think for yourselves.
kastiekastie I totally agree.

echt - I do challenge rules when I see fit but there's not time to challenge everything I want to challenge through the right channels 😉

I believe some rules go by the wayside everywhere - just put in to protect your employer in case anything goes wrong, for instance uncovered toes at work. Many teachers break this rule, the leadership team are aware and might mention it, but it's not enforced. If something goes wrong and your feet get damaged, it's on you.

Echt, for me you automatically lose any argument when you take the 'don't like it, go elsewhere' standpoint. You know full well that isn't an option for the vast majority - home schooling in only open to parents with a comprehensive and high standard of education themselves, who can buy in help and who don't have full time jobs themselves. To change schools is impossible in many areas and in the UK, if you wanted a school with no uniform, you'd struggle to find one!

I think that the teacher should have had a word with the pupil the following day at school. However I think that pupils should remain 'smart' whist they've their uniform on...standards an all that!

I'm finding reading this thread verhy interesting as my DD1 prepares to pick her secondary school. We have 3 local schools, in which she is pretty much guaranteed a place, due to our proximity to all three. The nearest we have ruled out as it does not offer the language options she requires. This leaves 2 other good schools to choose between. They have very few differences, except for language options, but the one next closest to us seems to tick all the boxes except for it's uniform policy. It's very strict and all the children are required to wear the jacket and tie at all times, unless it is ridiculously hot. My DD1 has real problems with eczema and it is quite obvious that the parts of her body permanently covered up by her current short sleeved polo uniform are a lot worse than the bits exposed to fresh air. I don't understand the comments about preparing them for the outside world. The majority of the students will probably end up working for local companies or supermarkets. All the offices I have worked in have not even required jacket and tie for men except for interviews and important meetings and woman don't have to wear them at all. The supermarket uniforms are all polo shirts and sweatshirts/lycra type stretchy jackets. My DD plans to be a PE teacher for which the uniform seems to be exercise gear with a smart dress or skirt/top for more formal occasions. NOT IN ANY OF THESE POSITIONS HAVE I EVER BEEN BEEN REQUIRED TO WEAR FULL UNIFORM TO OR FROM MY PLACE OF WORK. I think it's quite ridiculous and hugely oversteps the boundaries I would expect of a school. The only thing it seems to do is allow members of the public to observe the poor behaviour of naughty pupils on their way home and know which school to report them too. (Another reason I'm put off our nearest school, as the, again fully uniformed, children fight swear and ride their bikes on the pavement without any respect for pedestrians, all down our street.) It's seriously making me want to discount the second school even though it's good in every other aspect, as I'm worried that the strict policy will have an adverse effect on my dd's ability to study.

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My school has a strict but reasonable uniform. Think reasonable uniform that we expect to be followed.

Where we have children with sensory needs or skin issues then we make reasonable adjustments.

It's worth mentioning it to the school when you visit.

Why do so many people have a problem with schools having strict and smart uniforms and requiring that they are worn correctly.

The truth is you can always tell which are the more regarded schools, with how the uniform is worn.

Perhaps a more controversial but correct statement , is that you can tell who are the 'grammar' school or private school children and which just by the way they walk !

This means look at the way certain children from deprived schools always seem to walk with their shoulders drooped and appear with a certain attitude in their faces.

I applaud a teacher attempting to make a child wear correct school uniform, whether it is 12 hours after lessons finished or 1 minute .

If there was no consequence to looking unkempt , the student would continue to do the same thing.

DDs Grammar school state in their policy documents that pupils are to wear their Blazers at all times unless told they can remove them. This includes at any time on school or public transport on their way home to school etc . This rule means if wearing anything relating to school uniform Blazer not to be removed for instance if school skirt pullover is worn.

It might not be so bad to wear uniform if they were made out of breatheable, decent fabrics. Who thought polyester jumpers and blazers were a good idea for teenagers?

I applaud a teacher attempting to make a child wear correct school uniform, whether it is 12 hours after lessons finished or 1 minute .

Shouldn't they be wearing their PJs by then?

DDs Grammar school state in their policy documents that pupils are to wear their Blazers at all times unless told they can remove them. This includes at any time on school or public transport on their way home to school etc .

How does that work? Unless the teachers follow the children home, how can they give them permission to remove their blazers? Why are children considered smart enough to go to grammar school also considered too dim to decide fort themselves if they are too hot in a blazer?

I have worked in many offices over the years right from 1990 until now and gradually over the years men have stopped wearing ties and jackets unless they are going to be in a meeting. Schools are a bit OTT with uniform these days

Obviously permission to remove Blazers is given by teachers in the classroom or at break etc.

I get your point about following pupils home, however it has been known for some parents to contact the school about 'scruffy' girls walking about i.e with their blouses hanging out or a blazer not worn . The school have on occasions given the miscreants Lunchtime or after school detentions for these offences .

The school are usually quite fair regarding hot weather and will inform pupils at the start of the day, that blazers can be taken off/not required , or in the case of a long sustained of warm weather inform them in a day in-advance.

Period of warm weather.

Perhaps a more controversial but correct statement , is that you can tell who are the 'grammar' school or private school children and which just by the way they walk!

This means look at the way certain children from deprived schools always seem to walk with their shoulders drooped and appear with a certain attitude in their faces.

Are you the same poster who was on the Educating Manchester thread saying that the children at that school seemed like they had brain damage, and thank Goodness your dc's grammar school was nothing like that. You have a similar posting style.

Does seem a bit of a stupid comment ida

Not controversial...

Poster seems to go between deprived school and private/grammar

Kids nowadays need to learn the tricks of the trade!

Remove tie and blazer and put on a jumper. Then you're just in trousers and jumper and not school uniform minus a bit!

No i am not the same poster.. I do not condone nor tolerate that kind of language nor content in any way. Especially considering myself and my son are High Functioning Autistics who have been fully exposed to hurtful and untrue things.

Suggesting some children's shoulders droop when they are exiting their school and they adapt a 'ain't i hard ' face is not derogatory in nature.
In fact schools such as Harrop Fold spend large amounts of effort in trying to get their children to walk with pride or purpose.

I know someone with children in the private system who ruled out a grammar school she looked at because she found the boys rude. They were throwing publicity material across the table at prospective parents. You might find the private school parents you align grammar school kids with are looking down on the way grammar school kids conduct themselves in the way you do children in non grammars.

It's in our school rules that at all times in public, if a child is wearing his/her uniform it has to be worn properly.

I don't suppose any school would object if kids changed in the loos before leaving in the afternoon but it's a bit of an over-reaction surely!

I don't look down on any children because of their schooling or types of schools they attended. On the contrary the rudest people i have ever encountered tend to be public school educated.

However, this is about appearance and compliance to rules regardless of whether a pupil thinks those rules are stupid archaic or pointless.

Schools around here don't let the kids change before leaving school.
But it's only logo'd stuff and ties that are actually uniform. It's easy enough to out them in bag once you leave and replace with a jumper.

however it has been known for some parents to contact the school about 'scruffy' girls walking about i.e with their blouses hanging out or a blazer not worn

Seriously?Those parents need to get a life