To think that this teacher should not have told-off a pupil on the bus

[Bookaboo]

Couple of hours after the end of school, a few kids on the bus and a guy who happens to be a teacher at their school.
The teacher stopped one lad , who was probably only in year 7, and started grilling him about why he had no tie on. Told him to see him at break tomorrow for detention, but the kid was on his way home & was doing no harm.
I felt really sorry for the kid & felt like the teacher was just being an asshole.
If that was my son in a few years I wouldn't want him to be treated like that. I know that schools have an image to uphold etc.. but jut couldn't help thinking that stuff like this makes kids feel miserable about going to school.

Of course if the boy was misbehaving or bullying someone else then fine, intervene as a concerned citizen. This boy WAS behaving, so leave him alone.

All the teenagers here leave school with a fag in their gob. I see them daily walking out of the school field with one lit.

I couldn't get worked up over a tie..

Bet he wouldn't have confronted a gobby y11.

Power trip?

And there in 2 words is why we have an issue with discipline in schools. The parents of these delightful children don't agree with the teachers, don't believe following rules is necessary and think that teachers can just 'fuck off' out of school time (unless of course their little darling is being bullied on social media and then suddenly it is the school's/teacher's job)

Stop being friends with your kids and start parenting them.

Absolutely the teacher was correct. Any decent child would have complied.

Feeling I bet the teachers love seeing you at parents' evening

The uniform policy will probably state that pupils must wear full uniform to and from school.

Teachers have the same 'powers' (for want of a better word) when pupils are traveling to and from school - so the teacher in this case was totally within their jurisdiction to question the student and impose punishment.

It's not the " wearing of a tie" for the sake of it , it's wearing the uniform. If that includes a tie not unreasonable they are expected to wear it.
What if the students changed out the trousers for hot pants in the summer or took their shirts off under their blazers- why not eh, it's after school.....

Some people are really over reacting. The kid wasn't trying to strangle someone with the tie, he simply didn't have it on. The teacher didn't need to make that much of a fuss over it, he could have just reminded him of the rules and asked him to pop it back on. The poor kid has only just started the school, cut him some slack.

Guffalo. You probably get a bit of a distorted view about schools from mumsnet. Dd is 13 and at a typical comp and nothing ever happens that's worthy of an AIBU post or Daily Mail sad face. She's quite happy and likes the teachers.

All we have to go on is that the OP has said the child was given a grilling and a detention.
This could mean anything from 'Josh where's your tie? See me at break tomorrow' (becayse maybe uniform is a routine issue for that child) or it could be a total screaming match on a bus.

It's all a bit much to hear people spouting on about teachers on power trips, bet they wouldn't dare confront a y11, this is why nobody respects teachers etc.

I'm just waiting for a thread 'kids were just being kids at the front of the local shops when a teacher yelled at them and told them to behavr themselves because they make they school look bad. Honestly, it's none of her fucking business how the kids act out if school. If it was my child I'd have told thrm if it happens in future to tell Mrs Pops to fuck off.'

Reality: large groups of students were at the local shops after school, not doing any harm but there's been issues in the area linked to large groups of teenagers and they were being more rowdy than reasonable (i don't sign up to kids being kids = poor behaviour and poor manners) I said 'come on lads. Keep it down. The whole estate doesn't need to hear you. Remember you're representing the school'. They said 'ok miss' and kept it down.

What if the students changed out the trousers for hot pants in the summer or took their shirts off under their blazers- why not eh, it's after school.....

No! All of society would crash and burn if a teenager wore stupid clothes outside of school.

Guffalo. You probably get a bit of a distorted view about schools from mumsnet. Dd is 13 and at a typical comp and nothing ever happens that's worthy of an AIBU post or Daily Mail sad face. She's quite happy and likes the teachers.

Good to hear you have yet to do DM sad face

Draconian bullshit imo, that's why I home school

Guffalo. When dd1 was at primary I remember reading stuff on mumsnet about secondary schools (bullying etc) and being really quite worried. It's been absolutely fine though. You just tend to see more dramatic stuff on mumsnet.

I’ve never confronted a pupil on a bus. I have, however, sat on a bus while several children swore and insulted me from several seats back. I would like to work at the school in the OP!

If you represent a company, and you are wearing company uniform and you look like shit or behave inappropriately the company will take action. If an airline pilot in full uniform was drunk and dishevelled in his/her own time there would be disciplinary action.

If a bunch of flight attendants, retail workers, bank workers - all in uniform but looking like they were on a hen party - were photographed on social media I am pretty sure there would be action.

We really are in the "I can do what I like" territory. The problem is those same people expect everyone else to give them what they "are entitled to".

Is this actually for real? I can’t imagine this happening. I’ve not known a school which enforces uniform outside of school? Do some schools actually do this?! Behaviour yes, but uniform?!

Well yes, strict ones do.

The rule in my kids comp is that if uniform is being worn it has to be worn correctly. So if you are out and about after school, shirt tucked in, top button done up and tie on.

They also deal with reports of any misbehaviour that they hear of off premises and out of school time. Which goes down well across the community and high st shops.

It is a S London comp, Outstanding, good results, in an area which includes an inner city demography.

It's a happy school, not one of these zero-tolerance locked down academies. Teachers seem to like the kids, work hard for them, support them, and kids, kids are expected to respect the school, staff and rules.

My DD's school did.
And yes behaviour was excellent, results were good, kids were safe and happy and parents were practically fighting each other to get their kids a place. Kids learnt how to play the game, get on etc and all are now at university, doing well, some have jobs - they are employable etc etc.

Exactly what StarUtopia said.

Some of us are the very antithesis of power hungry getting our jollies from squashing teenagers. However we all still get tarred with the same brush by the parents who hated their own school so they're now experts on every teacher in every school and we can all f off if their little johnny doesn't like the rules. Oh and then it's our fault when the little darlings throw away their exams even though we were ridden roughshod over and ignored. Sigh.

Having the children wear their uniform correctly gives a good impression of the school (as long as behaviour is also good) and improves relations with the community. It's a fair rule. It might be better to have no school uniform and then other passengers on the bus won't know which school the child belongs to and can't ring up and complain about their behaviour. If the school is perceived to be responsible for the child's behaviour when they aren't in school because of their uniform, it is reasonable to have a rule about how they behave and look in that uniform.

you represent a company, and you are wearing company uniform and you look like shit or behave inappropriately the company will take action. If an airline pilot in full uniform was drunk and dishevelled in his/her own time there would be disciplinary action.

They are not employees. They are children and teenagers. They are required by the state to attend school, they should have their free time to themselves. Most people change after their job as well because it’s usually staggered leaving (if you’re in a uniform).

The school doesn’t hire the children.

Oh and the local Academy has police on duty every day at the bus stop. Every day. Because the kids are so badly behaved. They practically terrorize the locals and people avoid the street and the busses at 3pm. Shops ban them. People cross the road to avoid them.

The school's image is terrible despite vast amounts of money being poured into it. And much of that is because of the way the kids in uniform look and behave in public.

I think you have misunderstood school rules, altogether. they do not apply in school, they apply whenever and where ever a student is wearing school uniform. Technically that would mean even in their own home, although I've never heard of anyone trying to enforce that.

certainly teachers can and should enforce school rules where children are wearing school uniform in public.

Very few would put themselves out to do it though. This teacher is really going above and beyond to promote the image of his school.

Good for him, I hear the parents cry, o wait a moment, no I don,t. "you are pathetic, mind your own fucking business" is what he gets.

Hmm.

Just remind me, this is a country with an abundant supply of qualified, energetic and enthusiastic teachers, yes?? losing a few through through getting their life blood sapped out of them by lack of parental support isn't going to leave anyone without a teacher, then is it!?

I wonder if those complaining about the teacher would also complain about those that would report the children to the school for being nasty on the bus?