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Theresa Mays speech

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Joeymaynardslimegreendress · 04/10/2017 23:01

Carry on up the kiber? The dinner scene Grin

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specialsubject · 10/10/2017 15:12

They are probably right - you do get young Tories but young labour is.much more obvious and what most student politics is. Plus those who never outgrew student politics.

Nonetheless there is no solid evidence.

mathanxiety · 11/10/2017 01:29

Out of interest Math** - who do you actually think won the election?

The clear winner was the DUP.

Arlene Foster and her core constituency of creationists haggled for and received influence vastly disproportionate to their numbers and location.

Did any other party get to spend £1,000,000,000 on their favourite pet projects in their constituencies after the election?

(By what definition of democracy is this democratic?)

mathanxiety · 11/10/2017 03:02

Someone had better write to James Cleverly and tell him there is nothing to worry about, polls are not reliable, just carry on exactly as you are.

Last month, Conservative MP James Cleverly was asked about the disastrous snap election his party had just gone through. Instead of sounding as gloomy and desperate as some of his colleagues, his response was oddly upbeat:

"This general election will go down in history as a turning point; the massive interest and voter turnout among young people is a game changer, and even though it cost us, as the Conservative party, our majority and very nearly our place in government, I absolutely welcome it because it will mean that my party will have to get its shit together when it comes to younger people."

Cleverly, one of the party's rising stars, isn't the only one aware that the party must do something to attract younger voters, and do it sooner rather than later...

...The Tories' anxiety certainly is justified: analysis by Ipsos Mori showed that in May of 2017, 62 percent of 18 to 24-year-olds and 56 percent of 25 to 34-year-olds voted for the Labour party. The Conservatives got 27 percent of the vote in both age groups and only took their lead back with 45 to 54-year-olds and above.

Though young people were never the Tories' core vote, these figures represent a steep drop from even 2015: in two years, the Labour party grew its lead over them by 19 points for 18 to 24-year-olds, and a staggering 26 points for 25 to 34-year-olds.

Internally, things aren't exactly brighter: Monica Poletti, who has been studying party membership for Queen Mary University, found that "Tory members in 2017 were older than they were in 2015 – on average, in 2015 they were 54, and this year it was 57 [...] and four out of ten are over 66"...

..."The organisation that shot quite a lot of us in the foot is Activate, because it was such a useless launch by a bunch of amateurs," Howlett added, which feels like an understatement.

Though some of the details are still unclear, the grassroots campaign launched on the 28th of August, with the aim to "engage young people with conservatism".

The group was promptly mocked for its awkward use of outdated memes, and only two days later political gossip website Guido Fawkes published screen grabs of a WhatsApp conversation of Activate campaigners joking about "gassing chavs"....
www.vice.com/en_uk/article/8x8m9g/bullying-suicide-and-cringe-why-the-tories-cant-start-a-youth-movement

Why are the Tories so desperate to start a youth movement?

Peregrina · 11/10/2017 08:49

Why are the Tories so desperate to start a youth movement?

I suppose it's like the Jesuits - get them young and they are yours for life.
I believe that the Young Conservatives of old was a good marriage market - bonus maybe rather than its main purpose.

guilty100 · 11/10/2017 08:58

"Why are the Tories so desperate to start a youth movement?"

Did you see their conference? They are mostly ancient fossils who are dying out! Grin

Seriously, I do believe they are in membership crisis at the moment - thousands and thousands of people have left the party. I think they saw Momentum and thought "We could do a Tory version of that", sadly missing the fact that their youth members are the types that wear suits and ties and totally lack any kind of cool whatsoever. (There are "cool kids" on the right, but not in the Tory party).

sashh · 11/10/2017 09:23

No watch it seriously she’s not my cup of tea but even I felt sorry for her

Have a look at the number of people who have died after being found 'fit for work', that should change your mind/

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 11/10/2017 09:30

Someone had better write to James Cleverly and tell him there is nothing to worry about, polls are not reliable, just carry on exactly as you are.

Just like someone should have told TM that polls are not reliable.

Because, well, they’re not.

mathanxiety · 12/10/2017 03:27

Indeed, the tone deafness on the part of the Tories is amazing.

Polls are reliable enough that we can trust them pretty well, even though readers of the right wing press may not care to believe that people could possibly have misgivings about the right wing agenda of the Tories, or a lived experience of claiming benefits that does not fit the Murdoch and Dacre narrative.

Survation, SurveyMonkey and YouGov were not too far off iirc.

If the wrongness of polls is such common knowledge, the one aspect of polling you can really rely on, why did TM trust them enough to call an election? Stupidity?

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