Anti-Semitism and the British Left

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Here they go again. Why does the British Left have such an antisemitism problem?

Labour fringe speaker's Holocaust remarks spark new antisemitism row

A senior Labour MP has said he is shocked at some of the anti-Semitic tweets by party members that come before its disciplinary panel. John Cryer said some of what is written "makes your hair stand up", adding: "This stuff is redolent of the 1930s."

After the Chakrabarti whitewash, I'm not listening to anything Corbyn and the left have to say any more. And don't even get me started on Ken Livingstone. I'll never trust Labour or the left ever again, until they stand up and say, "We allowed anti-semitism to arise within Labour. We just went,'deny, deny, deny' and looked the other way. We were wrong". Then, and only then, will I ever give them the time of day once again.

I doubt it is just coincidental that anti-semitism has only reared its ugly head of late, since Corbyn took over as leader of the Labour party. I'm not saying there was none at all before then, but that was when it got bad. Did you see, a few months back, a Liberal Democrat MP with anti-semitic views started shooting his mouth off? LibDem leader at the time, Tim Farron just turned around and fired him, immediately. That's leadership. Corbyn, on the other hand, has let Labour party anti-semites run riot and basically done nothing. He didn't even deal decisively with Livingstone, who should have been banned from Labour ten times over by now.

Corbyn has damaged forever Labour's reputation as a non-racist party. It took decades to build up that reputation, and just one world class muppet to ruin it.

How would you describe Corbyn & Co's "association" with the PIRA or his Hamas & Hezbollah "friends" then makeourfuture?

Are the Norwegian government terrorist supporters too? Hamas were democratically elected.

Whatabout the Norwegian's?

Please dont try to deflect and answer my previous question?

Hamas & Hezbollah

Well I don't think violence is the way forward at all.

But is there a way forward without constructive dialogue between the parties involved?

Hamas and Fatah struggle to have constructive dialogue with each other, let alone Israel, Make!

The Norwegian government recognize Hamas as a legitimate government. I'm not deflecting, your question wasn't directed at me. However, I have no problem with Corbyn or anyone else talking to groups like that if the motive is to achieve peace, which I believe it was. Corbyn has said he regrets calling Hamas and Hezbollah friends.

Well I don't think violence is the way forward at all No, neither do I, nor do I imagine most people do. Yet Mr Corbyn has backed Hama repeatedly. Can you explain why a 'man of peace; would do that?

Can you also explain how constructive dialogue can take place with an organisation whose charter, (their covenant of 1988, article 26) proclaims global Jihad no negotiation, the destruction of Israeli and genocide of all Jews?

I'm no Labour supporter, but I've not seen evidence of anti-semitism.... would be grateful to see some genuine evidence, not stuff distorted by right-wing media.

Being friendly with Hamas may be unwise and provocative. It doesn't make you anti-semetic, any more than being friendly with the Pope makes you a Roman catholic...

And (referring to Ken Livingstone) having labelling Hitler's ideas in the 20s for expelling Jews to a homeland in Palestine, Zionism, may be stretching the accepted use of terminology, but it is not anti-Semitic.

There's this lazy equivalence between being against Zionism and being anti-Semitic that the right-wing press love to make. Labour should stand up to this false equivalence rather than slavishly accepting it.

And I say all this as someone who is neither a Corbynite (or Labour supporter) or a supporter of the right-wing press. I dislike both (the right-wing press more though).

I dont care what the Norwegian or any other naive, deluded, Western govt or political organisation have done. I'm asking about Jeremy Corbyn specifically who is seeking a mandate to be our next PM.

Explain please how backing one side in a violent conflict is intended to 'achieve peace'?

Well again, is there a a way forward without constructive dialogue between the parties involved?

How will we solve it without talks?

Seriously, what is the alternative?

Its one thing to keep saying it and to yearn for it -- as we all do. But Hamas abandoning its jihad to destroy Israel and kill Jews would be a nice gesture wouldn't you agree? Think that's likely?

'I'm anti-Zionist, not anti-semetic' is the left wing version of 'Some of my best friends are black but....'

If Corbyn believes talking to Hamas achieves peace, why doesn't he talk to the Israeli side too and what does he think about the Hamas charter which advocates the killing all Jews, not just Zionists or Israelis?

I also wonder if all those people who think people should have the free speech to "discuss" the holocaust (almost always a euphemism for downplaying the number of deaths or the brutality of the Nazi regime) also support free speech to "discuss" things like slavery and apartheid in a way that questions the historically quoted numbers and accounts of the victims?

I don't see how he is backing them Cracked, he has said he doesn't agree with what they do and that Israel also need to be involved in talks. Why do you think him talking to them is bad, what do you think his motives are?

why doesn't he talk to the Israeli side too Exactly and the same goes for his support for the PIRA. What dialogue did Corbyn have with the Unionists? There are plenty of pic's of him with Gerry Adams and Co..

Coconutella - If Farage was to say that he is friends with people who hold anti-Islamic views, would you describe him as "unwise and provocative" but not Islamophobic?

Also, unless you are Jewish you wouldn't have experienced anti-Semitism. That is like saying a white person saying, "I've never experienced anti-black racism personally ".

He said he regretted calling them his friends after he realised it was costing him politically. This is about as convincing as his 'denouncements' of antisemitism in the labour Party ie they never come without one his little moral equivalence clauses.

Would you like a list of the support he's given Hamas. The events he's attended, the associates he's cultivated amongst that vile, terrorist Jew hating organisation ?

Explain please how backing one side in a violent conflict is intended to 'achieve peace'?

It’s in exactly the same way that JC single handedly achieved peace in Northern Ireland

But Hamas abandoning its jihad to destroy Israel and kill Jews would be a nice gesture wouldn't you agree? Think that's likely?
Not unless the Israeli government stop killing Palestinians and believing they are inferior.

Whats your solution cracked, What do you think Corbyn should be doing about Palestine?

well said..

If I had one I'd go and pitch it to the UN.

I'll repeat for you : peace will not be achieved by offering your support to one side, particularly a terrorist org' that's vowed to wipe Israel off the map & to kill all Jews worldwide. Mr Corbyn's failure to grasp that, tells us everything we need to know about his judgement and his values. Does Israel's constitution call for the death of all muslims?

My personal view is: Israel wants peace
Hamas/Hezbollah Islamic Jihad etc: want death to Jews.

minority groups such as the muslims who don't like Jews

Stereotyping much?
I'd say we've got quite a demonstration of prejudice right there...

'I'm anti-Zionist, not anti-semetic' is the left wing version of 'Some of my best friends are black but....'

So do you think it's possible to distinguish between Zionism and Judaism? If not, why not?

My personal view Cracked is that the Israeli government and many Zionists see Palestinians as sub-human and treat them accordingly. It's a fairly mainstream view that perhaps Jeremy Corbyn holds as well. I'm not sure what you think he should do instead of speaking to them then? Bomb them instead? Or just ignore the situation altogether? I don't really care what Israel's constitution says, actions speak louder than words. If they wanted peace they could have it but they only want it for themselves.