so Brexiteers, are you happy to be paying £10 BILLION a YEAR to the EU now?

[ssd]

good grief, thought this was about saving money??

oh and the sovereignty, of course

[Rufustherenegadereindeer1]

Oh goodness was it twofingers

Thanks

[twofingerstoEverything]

Yep. I'm surprised she didn't tuck the word 'racist' in there for full effect.

[MadameMaxGoesler]

The pound is not at an all time low. It closed at E1.30562 on 22nd June 2016 before the referendum and is presently at E1.13430, a decrease of 13%. The lowest it has reached in the last 10 years was E1.02271 in 2008.

[twofingerstoEverything]

The lowest it has reached in the last 10 years was E1.02271 in 2008.
...during the global financial crisis, whereas this time it's self-inflicted.

[FaithHopeCharityDesperation]

Lol at Michael McIntyre!

I think he’s quite funny, so therefore it must be a compliment 😁

[Rufustherenegadereindeer1]

That or they're referring to looks wise faith

[ChelleDawg2020]

The UK hasn't left. The UK and EU haven't agreed anything yet. When the deal is done (or there is no deal), judge it on its merits then, and only then.

For the time being it is a case of the EU / Remainiacs harping on about how Britain has fucked itself, how everything will be a disaster and how the EU needs to set an example to anyone else who might think of daring to leave, whilst the UK attempts to hammer out a deal with people who really aren't interested.

If May had any guts, she'd ask the EU for the right to offer Britain a referendum on the final deal - a choice leave with deal, leave without deal, or stay after all. In my view it would be difficult for the EU to justify not allowing this, especially if the EU really needs Britain's money as much as everyone thinks.

Yes it would piss off Nigel Farage et al, yes it would piss off a lot of Tory voters and probably end her career, but equally it might at least win her some respect and lead to a cushy job in the EU machine.

If the UK voted leave again, the matter would be settled beyond all doubt. If it voted to stay, well, that's democracy, isn't it?

In the meantime, Remainers should try to keep their arguments polite and factual. Telling a Leaver that they've fucked up, that they're idiots, that they've wrecked Britain, will not make the Leaver change their mind. The EU punishing Britain will not make the Leaver change their mind. It's this feeling of being told they're wrong and unimportant that pushed many people into voting Leave in the first place.

The referendum on leaving the EU shouldn't have been necessary. The Leave majority and the feelings that caused it certainly weren't necessary. But Remainers should not deny the feelings that caused people to vote Leave - they should have, should still, try to convince Leavers of the benefits of membership.

It shouldn't have been a question, but it was, and it has been answered. For now.

[Rufustherenegadereindeer1]

Not sure how you can take the high ground using words like

Remainiacs

[existentialmoment]

The UK hasn't left. The UK and EU haven't agreed anything yet. When the deal is done (or there is no deal), judge it on its merits then, and only then

That's ignoring the massive fact that it's already having an impact, and a big one.

[stopfuckingshoutingatme]

chelle

yes, I agree. I think the EU should push us to have another referendum. I wish......

[orlantina]

The pound

[CardinalSin]

The pound...

[WhollyFather]

Merely confirms May's weakness and duplicity. She was a useless Home Sec, is a worse Prime Minister and is still a remainer at heart trying to thwart the will of the majority of voters by keeping us in the EU after all. I guarantee unless we get rid of her and the rest of the anti-democrats in the cabinet, these transition periods will get extended and extended.

You remainers... don't start feeling smug, this is far from over. And please stop whining about money or your holidays being more expensive etc., only you care.

Anyone who fails to understand that the EU is at heart, and always has been, a project to build an anti-democratic, federal Europe run by unelected technocrats for the benefit of the elite and transnational corporations, regardless of the wishes of the citizens of the affected countries, isn't entitled to voice an opinion on the matter.

[Rufustherenegadereindeer1]

Only people who voted remain care about money?

Ok

Not sure thats the case but ok

[twofingerstoEverything]

Anyone who fails to understand that the EU is at heart, and always has been, a project to build an anti-democratic, federal Europe run by unelected technocrats for the benefit of the elite and transnational corporations, regardless of the wishes of the citizens of the affected countries, isn't entitled to voice an opinion on the matter.

In other words: if you don't agree with extreme Brexit views, STFU. Very democratic.

Unfortunately for you, whollyfather, because it's clear you're keen on stifling debate, I think you'll find we still have freedom of speech.

[CardinalSin]

I think I should start investing in tin foil hats...

[M4Dad]

Anyone who fails to understand that the EU is at heart, and always has been, a project to build an anti-democratic, federal Europe run by unelected technocrats for the benefit of the elite and transnational corporations, regardless of the wishes of the citizens of the affected countries, isn't entitled to voice an opinion on the matter

It always puzzles me why Remainers just brush over these undeniable facts.

[Rufustherenegadereindeer1]

Because SOME people who voted reman dont agree with the statement

I assume

[CardinalSin]

Ah, those would be "facts" like the ones Donald Trump favours then...

[Peregrina]

If May had any guts, she'd ask the EU for the right to offer Britain a referendum on the final deal -

She doesn't need to ask the EU. They weren't asked about the last Referendum. She just needs to ask our own Parliament - we never gave up sovereignty, remember, it just 'felt like it'.

I agree she needs to have more guts.

[M4Dad]

What part of the statement don't you agree with and why?

[existentialmoment]

It always puzzles me why Remainers just brush over these undeniable facts

I imagine because they are not facts at all, but more the sweepings of the Daily Mail comment section.

[Rufustherenegadereindeer1]

I read some of the daily mail comments

Lots of very unhappy people

I havent read much about it yet...so i dont know why everyone is so annoyed

[M4Dad]

Why aren't they facts?

Federal Europe:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10041817/Federal-Europe-will-be-a-reality-in-a-few-years-says-Jose-Manuel-Barroso.html

Whilst this isn't definitive you'd have to be willfully simple not to realise that a Federal Europe is their aim.

[RubMyRhubarb]

The only thing I think is a definite is that behind the scenes politicians of every colour are shitting themselves and trying desperately to find a way to look as if we've left without actually properly leaving

^This.

And let's not forget that the only reason anyone voted leave is because they were uneducated and just didn't understand the situation well enough. If only they were more intelligent absolutely everyone would have voted remain.

Sarcasm - for the hard of thinking.