so Brexiteers, are you happy to be paying £10 BILLION a YEAR to the EU now?

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good grief, thought this was about saving money??

oh and the sovereignty, of course

Hmmm. That's right is it, pay child support for children that aren't yours and ignore the welfare of your own children at home?

Only a very rich "dickhead" can afford to do that - and even then to the detriment of his "own" children 🙄

As for trade, as I clearly stated proximity matters for transportation costs.

No you didn't. You said:

It is a fallacy that it is easier to trade with those closest to you.
And:
The only advantage proximity gives is transportation costs.

Trade declines rapidly not only with distance but with borders - hence why having a massive single market of 27 nations on your doorstep is massively important.

When JC becomes PM in the near future, he will get it all sorted 😎

And back to the OP's question....is that £10 billion per annum ad infinitum or for a fixed period?

Has it all been agreed....did I miss something, did hurricanes and missiles bury the news that the UK Brexit was a done and dusted deal?

Bloody hell, take an afternoon nap and it all happens.

Nothing has been agreed , some figures have been suggested during a speech , but not during negotiations . We are still at the nothing has been agreed stage Hatels , so I think you are safe for at least 12 months as far as naps are concerned

Thought i really wouldnt take the risk hatels

Regarding sovereignty - no one is "doing things" or "forcing things" on us. We are an integral part of the system. This is no more evident than with the opt outs.

It seems to be some sort of martyr complex, that everyone is out to get us, or that we have been mistreated.

Has it all been agreed....
Yup, you missed it, like the trade deals that Fox was going to have sorted by 16th September, not the one the week before last, but 2016. Or the big trade deal with the US on 24th July this year.

makeourfuture I agree. Interesting leaving the EU is being forced on just under half of those that voted by just over half of those that voted.

TheWorld do you mean the 37% of the electorate that voted Leave now magically representing "the Will of the People of the UK"?

randomly

Well 37% is awfully close to 50%

And thats pretty much 100%

Randomly, that is patently not true. Check the stats on trade and show me where that is always the case. Maybe for perishable goods but 10000% not for all or even the majority of trade.

Another there are plenty of papers on the gravity effect on trade and the effect of borders on trade, and the increased likelihood of trading with adjacent states rather than non-adjacent states.

When JC becomes PM in the near future, he will get it all sorted

If he does then "goodbye middle class"

Trade declines rapidly not only with distance but with borders - hence why having a massive single market of 27 nations on your doorstep is massively important.

Yes, of course - now I understand why it's so hard to find anything made in China over here or to obtain New Zealand Lamb or butter!

Another Here is the 2012 Government report on UK trade performance on markets and sectors - it quite clearly shows that the UK's trade declines with distance to the trading partner (as well as the GDP of the partner), with exceptions being the Commonwealth countries of Australia and South Africa.

Yes, of course - now I understand why it's so hard to find anything made in China over here or to obtain New Zealand Lamb or butter

Do you see much stuff from India?
South America?
Africa?

There's a reason why we have a lot of stuff from the Far East.

Look at where we import from.

We can talk about trade all we want. But leave is not about trade.

And where we export to

But leave is not about trade

But we are currently NEGOTIATING how we leave. And so it's important that trading arrangements with the EU are discussed.

Wasonthelist UK exports are low to China as the country still has relatively low GDP per capita - they don't want our expensive stuff but we're happy to take their cheap shit.

I'm not disputing that we trade a lot with Europe (EU and non-EU) but we do a hell of a lot of trade with other places too - something about China trumps distance otherwise everyone's houses wouldn't be jammed full of stuff that was made in China.

Actually, it's a complex issue.

RandomlyGenerated

So your definition of "trade" doesn't include imports? I doubt that - my point was simply that proximity and border issues can be (and are) trumped by others.
FWIW I think the entire economics of EU and non-EU trade are founded on insanity - because they take zero account of environmental issues. The published example of the car components that BMW sends back and forward through Europe is a classic - there is no way that makes any sense.

Why are our houses full of stuff from China?

Maybe because the UK authorities turned a blind eye to a massive fraud network that allowed ultra-cheap Chinese goods to flood into Europe.

www.politico.eu/article/uk-faces-e2-billion-eu-payment-for-china-fraud-trade/

Actually, it's a complex issue

And trade with the EU should be discussed as we do a lot of trade with them - seeing as how they are on our borders and want to trade with us.

So it's probably something that should be discussed during negotiations. Rather than people just saying that Leave was not about trade. It wasn't - but trade is something that can't be ignored.