so Brexiteers, are you happy to be paying £10 BILLION a YEAR to the EU now?

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good grief, thought this was about saving money??

oh and the sovereignty, of course

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You seem to be making stuff up that people didnt say

They are more precise in their language than who? Non-EU countries are lesser when it comes to precision as regards the English language or any other language? Really? An inbuilt superiority?

Who has the upper hand in negotiations? The UK has a lot of strengths going for it that will give it an upper hand in some areas. The EU will have a stronger hand in other areas. That is the nature of trade and negotiations.

It is a fallacy that it is easier to trade with those closest to you. The economic theory shows it is easier to trade with those with a shared language, culture, and political systems. There are many nations that share a close culture and political system with the UK. Closer than countries in the EU. The only advantage proximity gives is transportation costs. With technology and speed of travel, this is far less of an issue than it would have been, say 50 years ago.

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orlantina is very precise in her words

She is not more precise than everyone else

She is not more precise than anyone on this thread

She is more precise than me

Many people who have read her posts or have had her reply to their posts know how precise she is

It was a passing comment about how she uses her words precisely

It is difficult to twist orlantinsa words because she is very precise

non-EU countries are lesser when it comes to precision as regards the English language or any other language? Really? An inbuilt superiority?

And i did not say this...at all, in the slightest

You are making stuff up...again

With free movement, what would it be like for my twords Asian neighbours and my African friends if they wanted to move to Poland. Do you think they would havhave equal opportunities? Do you think the system and culture would be welcoming of them? Would someone like Sidique Khan get the slightest chance of being in the position he is in?

I understand where my neighbours are coming from. This Union does not work for all. 52% of the UK want out.

There are many nations that share a close culture and political system with the UK

Special Relationship!

It is a fallacy that it is easier to trade with those closest to you. The economic theory shows it is easier to trade with those with a shared language, culture, and political systems.

Really? I think Leamer might have something to say about the effect of distance on trade.

This is the 'Anglosphere' being trotted out again i.e. the White parts of the Commonwealth plus the USA. I quite frankly doubt how much we have in common with those Commonwealth countries of sub-Saharan Africa. I doubt even if we have quite so much in common with the USA as some people would like to think.

Bloody hell remainers lost the vote get over yourselves. Next time you make ridiculous statements check your facts first

"So you suppose Orlantina that the civil servants and the government do not want to get the best for the country? Do you think they will not be doing consultations, trying to understand the impacts, etc?""

Many of them certainly are, which is why the government keep moving them around, because they don't like what they are hearing from them.

And this is the first time I've heard an argument that it is easier to trade with someone on the other side of the world!

"Next time you make ridiculous statements check your facts first"

This from the Leaver? I think my Irony-meter has just broken!

"Next time you make ridiculous statements check your facts first"

What facts are wrong

We have to have properly leave the EU now, we need to see what happens and if it turns out to be a dud then we can try to rejoin in 10+ years.

If we have a pretend Brexit now or Vince Cable becomes PM and just cancels it, our country will slowly suffocate until we are in a PVS.

It was a passing comment about how she uses her words precisely

I have my moments.

Who has the upper hand in negotiations? The UK has a lot of strengths going for it that will give it an upper hand in some areas. The EU will have a stronger hand in other areas. That is the nature of trade and negotiations

Indeed. So whilst we are negotiating, I think it's perfectly fine for people - ALL people, to raise concerns and issues that concern them and that they think should be raised. Because it will be too late to raise them once we have concluded negotiations.

We are going to leave the EU. That's what the vote was for. But it's perfectly reasonable to discuss issues and to ensure that Brexit gets the best deal that is acceptable for the EU and for us.

Maybe it will end up like this?

Ah, the old "we need to destroy the country and kill off the opportunities for a generation, because we're too stupid to see what a mes it's going to be" argument.

That's a well thought out one...

I loves me some Calvin and Hobbs

Isn't the EU white? So what do you mean by the white parts of the Commonwealth? The Commonwealth countries such as Indian and the Caribbean share a lot in common with the UK. They also gave up their lives to defend it during the war. Yet they are not granted the same privileges and access as the EU? Why is that? Brexit would allow a more level playing field. It would be fairer to old and loyal friends of the UK.

As for trade, as I clearly stated proximity matters for transportation costs. With technology and the massive improvements in the speed of travel close proximity is no longer a big deal. This especially so when you are trading in services. These days many companies locate their high value head offices in low tax jurisdictions such as the Caribbean.

Colin Firth is now my hero . How do I apply for this ?..
Marry an Italian?
I'd have to get divorced first and then find a suitable bloke, so it won't happen.

Which will definitely cost more now we don't have reasonably priced labour from the immigrants who fuel the construction industry
Reasonably priced should mean you're able to provide for your family on the wage.
It fuels the industry as they are able to pay them peanuts.
Fuck. Off.

Brexit would allow a more level playing field. It would be fairer to old and loyal friends of the UK

You'd hope the EU - being a large trading bloc - will do deals with India and China - massive markets that they are.

Being part of a larger union does bring advantages. And disadvantages.

Yet they are not granted the same privileges and access as the EU? Why is that?

You have to ask Theresa May why. Her recent trade talks with India foundered because they wanted more visas for their citizens, and she wasn't prepared to grant them.

We don't want a level playing field. We want as much leverage as possible. Brexit means we will have Less Leverage. Gee Whiz, I can't wait.

The absolutely fair thing would have been a clean break divorce with the EU picking up the brexit gap in Europe and us self funding the remaining EU spending plans in Britain. What's not equitable about that?
Just wanted to go back to this from p4. This sounds like some dickhead claiming that a divorce is totally fair because his ex wife gets the house and the kids, so he shouldn't have to pay child support