Is this unreasonable punishment from Teacher of 5 year old?

[sharond101]

DS is 5. He has never been in trouble before, not really but there was incident at school yesterday and a boy told him to pull down a little girl's pants which he did and she told the Teacher. He had his picture put on a dark cloud on the wall and given Time Out which meant yesterday and today he spent playtime in the class without adult supervision drawing pictures whilst the other children played outdoors. What has really annoyed me though is that when the Teacher returned after breaktime she took his picture off him and put it in the bin. He is very upset. Says he doesn't want to go to school and that she (teacher) shouts all the time.

We don't know if any of that is the case do we? All we know is that it would be highly unusual for a teacher not to report such an incident.

This is madness an incident .

Maybe the incident just didn't happen. Or maybe the boy did mean trousers rather than pants, who knows? I doubt the OP would have posted it all over mumsnet if SS was involved. The thread would have been deleted by now, if there was any safeguarding concern, they are ultra careful about confidentiality.

How on earth would hq know there were safeguarding concerns and delete the thread?????
This is just getting ridiculous now. I'm out. For someone who isn't a know-it-all mittens you seem to think you know a lot about the ops situation.

Speculation, Speculation and more speculation.

Wheresmytaco of course all children are entitled to defend themselves, as are adults. If a child physically attacks another one they're perfectly entitled to apply reasonable force to stop that attack.

When my ds was attacked and he fought back he got in trouble with the school even though they knew he was defending himself. I made it quite clear to the school that ds was not a punch bag and that you can't tell children not to defend themselves when legally adults can when faced with the same situation.

What is wrong is that you said if this happened to your dd and the boy wasn't punished by the school, you would give your dd permission to teach him a lesson. Unless you just worded it badly, your not talking here about self defence if it happens again. You would specifically tell her to approach the boy and do something to him. I find that awful. If the school hadn't dealt with it adequately, it's the school you should be talking to and not teaching your dd some sort of vigilante justice.

Terrifying

If my ds did that to a classmate I would be having stern words with him and made sure he understood it was totally unacceptable. I would be horrified if other parents viewed him as some kind of pervert and expected harsh punishment. What this boy did was naughty...it wasn't criminal, he is 5!!
The comments from some on here are far worse than anything he did.

Oh dear corbyn, so mittens is a know- it-all for knowing about the OPs situation, but all those posters who have made vile posts based on some warped adult version of Jackanory are justified. Hypocrisy at its best.

@Lozen, unfortunately I know too much about bullying and abuse, this is why I've got myself so involved in this thread. That plus the fact that I have 2 DDs, and I would hate for them to suffer this sort of humiliation in the playground and for the teacher to punish the boy but not deal with the issue beyond that.

Mittens I think you are projecting your own bad experiences, which I do deeply sympathise with onto a 5 year old you haven't met. All kids do stupid stuff, this could quite possibly be a one off, some of the posts on here are boarderline unhinged.

I have said that I don't think the little boy is anything more than a 5 year old being egged on by other boys. It's the school that failed to handle it appropriately.

Agree with you completely there mittens I'm astounded it wasn't mentioned to op at the very least!

As for safeguarding, all the training I've ever received says you must keep the parents informed unless there is an immediate threat to the child's safety. It is not a school's job to act as secret spies just in case they can't trust the parents with information about their own children on the back of no evidence. No way is this boy in danger from his mother because he pulled a girl's clothing down - that much is evident from her posts... what he did, however, is serious enough to warrant informing his parents, regardless of whether he pulled down the girl's trousers or pants.

The school may have more information about the ops home life than we do.

Obviously they know more than we do, that goes without saying. But it's clear that they don't perceive an immediate threat to the little boy's safety, otherwise SS would have taken him into care by now. They clearly haven't done that, as 2 days later the OP was worrying about the picture going into the bin.

Is that before or after they would have been on to Mumsnet HQ to delete this thread 😂

What I do know is that if there's a genuine immediate threat to a child's safety, that child is taken into care, quite rightly - if it's known about.

And what I meant before was that the OP wouldn't be talking about this online if she knew SS were investigating. It's supposedly anonymous but it's your own email address that's registered.

Totally confused. Are SS involved with a family on the back of a 5 year old doing onesilly thing?

Also confused! I thought OP never came back to this thread?

No no one is involved this thread is just crackers

No, ransomed, that wouldn't happen. It's just that posters are creating their own backstory since the OP left the thread early and we only have the account of a 5 year old. Completely batshit of course!

Sorry, randomer, wretched predictive text lol.

Thanks mittens.