Why can't Teacher training be done in summer holidays

[daffodil10]

Why do summer holidays need to be extended by 3 days to cover inset days when teachers have had 6 weeks off. And before I get shot down I realise they may have been in school over the holidays etc. But what is the point in going back to school on a Thursday

@yorkiedorkie do you don't think if you got statutory holidays (like the rest of us) and some elevated pay, then had the 6 week holidays and other holidays to make up for the lack of admin hours and a more flexible workload, you wouldn't be satisfied.

That's more than entitled. And fits the whole stereotype.

We work 195 days. Not 190. Actually, I work 0.8, so I have more days off than I do in work

Somehow I suspect a lot of your days 'off' are spent working though

Puckered. Thank you. It drives me crackers on mn when there's an apology but posters don't want to accept it

As much as I appreciate teachers, sometimes it grates on me that they seem to think that they are the only professionals out there

What are you on about? Exactly which teacher said that to you?!

I had the most boring INSET day today, but stayed til 5.30 to get stuff done/respond to requests from people. I sat wishing the kids were in, that being the interesting part of the job. I can't wait to see them tomorrow!

Runningyogabooze - often I set days run in a different timetable. They should be the length of a school working day, so around 5 hours. Many schools work 8-1 on inset, so by lunchtime they were entitled to be in the pub.

yes exactly changer. if you start a new job on 1 august you'd get paid twice in August. I know it'd be a one off but I'd love that :o

Schools could easily just not publish the unset days at the beginning and end of term and parents would be none the wiser.

You would still get parents/posters asking why does Term always start mid week and teachers would still have to respond with, because INSET days. We can't win really!

nursery doesn't close unless it's a bank holiday.

I understand that paid childcare is available from a variety of sources all year round?

You have presumably had 4 years to investigate the above options with regard to your child. Schools have taught 190 days a year for some decades now.

winebomb, feel free to retrain as a teacher to get the same holidays as your kids

Stealth I'm pretty sure you couldn't be paid twice in August.

The contract with the school would run until 31st August, so I don't think you'd legally be allowed to start a new job until 1st September.

I may be wrong though.

Are teachers genuinely paid term time only? Job adverts don't seem to suggest that, whereas it's made clear with TA adverts and other support staff that it's term time only and the salary would be pro rata. There doesn't seem to be any mention of pro rata in adverts for teachers?

@Winebomb that sounds lovely but it isn't what you originally said. Your original statement read as pupils and teachers having the standard 25 days holiday per year. That, as I said previously, is not possible for all the money in the world.

I do wonder what the ratio of non-contact time to contact time is for teachers.

For every hour spent in school, how many hours are spent at home doing school related work?

I suspect it would be a high ratio.

Tractor you aren't wrong ur spot on

I used to bother explaining how teacher pay and conditions, holiday etc worked.

Now I don't bother.

In a nutshell, we are paid for 'term time + x days' (it was the same when i was a TA too). So the X days are the inset days.
The holiday isn't being extended.

gosh The way TA salaries are worked out is a mess (been there, done that). Councils havr got away with advertising thr non-take away salary for a TA for years and some councils have started trying to decrease them further. It's a piss take.
Either way, neither teachers nor TAs are paid for the holidays.

treacle most jobs wuldmt let that happen I don't think. you'd not be allowed to accrue the leave. as far as I can tell its unique to teaching as in August you're not being paid for August iyswim.

Daffodil, I think you are very courageous to admit to being a little bit silly. Honestly? I wouldn't do the job for an hour. I'd have a nervous breakdown!

I think teachers are mostly fabulous. Obviously there is an odd few in there.

I have been blessed with my daughter's teachers so far. I am sure there will be a random asshole stuck in there in secondary school, but to be honest, I know what my sister puts into her teaching. I also know what it takes out of her.

What do you expect OP
They are teachers. Expect several more pages of how they are the hardest working of any professional

Are teachers genuinely paid term time only

Teachers' pay is as advertised. But teachers are 'only supposed' to work for 1265 hrs a year - but as the hours worked per month vary, the pay is spread out over the whole year.

cadibach what I am suggesting is that holidays at cut back and teachers have the opportunity to bmwork on reports for children each holiday.

If teachesrs got paid more and just took statutory holidays like the rest of us, there would be plenty of time to do the job.

As much as I appreciate teachers, sometimes it grates on me that they seem to think that they are the only professionals out there

As much as I appreciate other professions (and all other jobs really), sometimes it grates on me that as a professional body, teaching is so heavily criticised and attacked, as frequently as it is...

I'm looking forward to mentoring this lovely influx of new PGCE students next year, who think teaching is a doss.

Come on, if you can stand being told to eff off my parents for 10 years and defending the fact little John hasn't actually been to 50% of his lessons therefore failed to get a C/5 gcse you might even make it to top of the pay scale!

tractor surely if they're not paying you they can't employ you!

Worse are Ofsted and consultants
I have a lot of friends and family in teaching
Those who work for Ofsted do so because they couldn't hack teaching
Do they get paid to tell others they are capable or not